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June 5th, 2014
09:50 PM ET

GOP over-politicizing Bergdahl?

Van Jones says GOP is going overboard with criticism over Obama's Bergdahl swap. Newt Gingrich, Mark Jacobson and Clare Lopez debate.

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    Yeah Obama just encouraged them.

    June 10, 2014 at 3:17 pm | Reply
  2. cesweeton

    If we're going to start holding people accountable for not preventing attacks on Americans, why start with Benghazi? Yes, the death of these four Americans is tragic; but why is this any different then the 1983 Marine Corps Barracks Bombing in Beruit where 299 American and French Servicemen were killed, the 1996 Khobar Towers Bombing in Saudi Arabia where 19 American Servicemen were killed, and even the 9/11 Bombings on our own soil. Let's stop using these tragic events for Political fodder – its Disgraceful!!!

    June 10, 2014 at 12:36 am | Reply
  3. bombastus

    From the beginning American politics has been down and dirty. In the early days they beat each other up (physically) in Congress. The Federalist raked Jefferson over the coals about Sally Hemings and Adams was slandered by the Jeffersonians. From the earliest days it was strong central government (Hamilton/Adams/Washington) vs states rights (Jefferson). But they got together when it came to big things which is what we cannot do now. Why? Blame it on the Founding Fathers. They allowed slavery to prevail and that split the country in two. Then when LBJ passed the civil rights act, the South went GOP and ever since Nixon the GOP has catered to the racist South. At the heart of all of this is whatever Obama wants, the GOP doesn't. If Obama says the sun rises in the East, the GOP says the West. Truth be damned. At it's very heart is deep seated racism that, as stated above, is because the Founding Fathers blew it. They should have gotten the South on board to kick the British out and then let the South go as a separate country. A slave rebellion would have decimated the South and then over time the South would join the union but under very different terms. Sounds like a good "alternative history" novel. I better get to work.

    June 9, 2014 at 9:14 pm | Reply
  4. Tom

    I think the trade for Bergdahl is a step by the administration towards appeasement of the Taliban. It shows to me that President Obama is like former President Wilson – attempting to appease an insatiable political foe. We shall see if by doing the same thing we get a different result this time.

    June 9, 2014 at 3:26 pm | Reply
  5. REGinAZ

    There is a real challenge today for American politics to ever become totally functional and effective again, as they now are angrily divided and filled with venom. It all started purposely as a competitive tactic from Rove and Bush with their gross attacks, within their own party, when competing against McCain in the primaries. The GOP and their supporters then took it to an even higher level as they found it worked against Gore and Kerry and with it becoming even more aggressive with the exploited biases and prejudices aimed at Obama. It has been constantly fueled with distasteful and ignorant slander by the likes of Trump, Newt the toot, Ted Cruz and so many others, being accepted and encouraged by a segment of the public who has their anger and gross emotions fed. The Tea Party with their self-serving screaming has added to it. It is not a quality representation of what America can be and the worst result is that the needed cooperation and compromise between political entities, to get things done, isn’t even considered a possibility as they concentrate totally on arrogantly faulting and stubbornly blocking each other, with only constant propaganda being offered to the public, aimed to manipulate people’s thinking and to control public opinion.

    Is it fair to chastise one party over the other when they both indulge? It is not only fair but actually necessary as to excuse or ignore the main cause can only perpetuate the problem – the people, the voters are the only source of hope! Today the GOP is owned and controlled by “the money” and with the power, influence and mega-funds provided, they concentrate on being “puppets” for “the money” and then together on boldly and belligerently just taking the voters for granted, insultingly as if just “pawns” to be conned, used and abused. The Democrats do their share but in contrast they simply can’t keep up and then they are actually dependent on the public for their support, needing to cater to them. The voters have the power but only if they can recognize the reality, reject the propaganda deceptively aimed to excite and control them and to then break the stranglehold “the money” has on our politics by throwing the “puppets” out of office. The voters need to get rid of them, no matter from which party, and they just need to be rational and objective with biases, prejudices, emotions and misplaced loyalties checked to avoid being manipulated by the con artists and their propaganda.

    I haven’t ever said that the Democrats are without faults. The fact is that I was a registered Republican for a long time, having voted for JFK when I got out of the Marine Corps and never again for a Democrat until I voted against Bush-Cheney. I still believe in basic Republican philosophies but also clearly see that today they don’t live up to the responsibilities inherent in those philosophies, having become totally owned and controlled by “the money” and just taking the people for granted. A clear look at the belligerent, self-indulgent, arrogant, bellicose, cocky, argumentative, manipulative and stubborn personalities, consistent in so many of them, as if they all graduated from the same Karl Rove School of Self-Serving Belligerence, tells the real story of “no hope” and all deception: i.e., Rove, Bush, Cheney, Cruz, Cantor, McConnell, Perry, Ryan, Paul, Gingrich, Boehner, Bachmann, Palin,,, and regrettably on and on. It is obviously the result of their having gained confidence in catering to the wrong (wrong for the people) entity.

    June 9, 2014 at 1:29 pm | Reply
  6. bill

    dad was on the Missouri with macarthur when japan surrendered, uncle tommy was west point and POW in Korea–but he escaped (story in readers digest) and was the first to get a certain POW medal-his body was used to cast a statue that in now in the Korean War Mem-and I severed under col paul lutjens who is CIA and army intel-my job was to protect the Col. So as a vet I have to say that obama used this "event" in the rose garden to show 1. how he just loves us dumb ass vets and 2. to take attention away from the VA scandal. This is the politics-not any objections to releasing 5 generals for a deserter and contrary to the WH statements-his patoon and govt. documents say he is a deserter and it looks like he joined his enemy and who knows for what??? Ask Senator McCain-who DID served with honor-if he could have gone along with the enemy when he was a POW-he even stayed when the enemy would let him return home because HE WOULD NOT LEAVE HIS FELLOW SOLDIERS. WE do not leave a soldier behind EXCEPT WHEN HE HAS JOINED THE ENEMY AND THEN HE IS NO LONGER A SOLDIER IN THE USA SERVICE. The 5 generals-obama you have opened THE GATES OF HELL and we will pay again because you are weak--"we will kill him" is as old as old gets when negociating-and then the obama/rice/kerry lies continue to be PMA-Protect My AXX. I am ashamed of our WH admin and believe obama carries out his CHANGE agenda for a bigger reason than we know about-why would he bow to a muslim leader???? why???? why does he refuse to call their islam terrorist? and why blame a film about islam-i thought this was the USA. I read the book of Judges and see this obama admin as the cause of what has hit us and more important-what is going to hit us.

    June 9, 2014 at 8:31 am | Reply
  7. jimmy

    lets face it, The GOP, Fox News, and the Conservative Right nut cases are willing to do anything to get control. Lying to the public is a no brainer to them, its their code-keep lying, sooner or later people might start believing us. Thats small stuff, its the criminal activities that stay hidden, like computer tampering during elections-Carl Rove and his Fox meltdown when he was shut down by a group of people watching Rove, which is why he kept saying Romney was going to win OHIO. He belongs in prison.

    June 8, 2014 at 8:18 pm | Reply
  8. fthomascain

    How can anyone overstate the sheer idiocy of trading 5 high level and hardened Taliban commanders that are already reconnecting with their organization, for 1 low level deserter and traitor???

    June 8, 2014 at 5:15 pm | Reply
  9. rey

    I wrote a comment about the ( ACA), when it first came out and the whole web site was a fiasco. It went along the lines that the web site would be fixed when POTUS wanted it fixed, not sooner, not later. The idea is that POTUS leads the GOP to the trough, and they eat and eat. Well, he is doing it again with this issue. The GOP is so unprepared to deal with the foresight of this President, that its comical. They had a perfectly good crisis with the VA mess. What does he do? He ties the GOP and media, I might add, in knots, and they eat and eat the grain. Its really funny watching them not knowing what to do.

    June 8, 2014 at 4:25 pm | Reply
  10. Shawn McFadden

    The reason why I feel this is stupid politics by the GOP is because they feel they were kept out of the loop. There are several things that need to be understood. First, Bergdahl's release happened because of the Government of Qatar who were the middle men in this affair. The U.S. does not have direct talks with the Taliban. Next, if this didn't happen, the Taliban probably would have killed him. Surprisingly, they didn't do this long ago. Next, the Taliban know we're going to pull the troops out starting the end of this year, so they figured why keep him any longer? Next, if this deal wasn't done then, their might not have been another opportunity. Next, the President saw this as an opportunity to get this Soldier back without having to risk loss of life. Yes, we had to give up 5 members of the Taliban that were incarcerated at Gitmo, and yes this was before it was revealed that Bergdahl deserted his outfit. However, people need to understand that if you are a POW, you don't honestly know how long you are going to live. This man is extremly lucky. He will have to answer to the UCMJ for what he's done in due time, and that is a fate far worse than death.

    June 8, 2014 at 11:11 am | Reply
  11. californiaAC

    Never has the opposition's hate for a sitting president caused so much harm to our country; never has racial hatred unleashed so much vitriol from the news media onto a US President.

    June 8, 2014 at 12:09 am | Reply
  12. Len

    I love CNN , the Republicans are the only ones who politicize,. The Dems and the President didn't politicize this, no! Why does not CNN call themselves MSNBC or the Dems propaganda channel.

    June 7, 2014 at 9:18 pm | Reply
  13. emskadittle

    when the truth comes out, it will bite them in the a ss

    June 7, 2014 at 9:10 pm | Reply
  14. Bb8371

    Anyone with half a brain cell, know the GOP is behind all this bashing of the soldier and The Commander In Chief !!
    I would suggest every senator, congressman spend a year in the same conditions, and then have the country you volunteered to service, turn it back on you. How appalling and a huge hit to the heart of his parents, who have spent 5 years in uncertainty about his return and well being. To any soldier who has spoken out, has spoken out against the very person responsible for all the troops, The President. We are still looking for Vietnam soldiers, a very unpopular war who are we to decide who comes back ? As the Commander in Chief he has an obligation to leave no soldier behind, end of story. ! The GOP still has not learned, the American public is exhausted watching them create diversions for not doing their job. They have spent millions and accomplished nothing except continuing to attack The President, we get it so get over it move on to constitutive actions to improve our Economy and Country.. No other President has been shown such public disrespect as this one...

    June 7, 2014 at 1:50 pm | Reply
  15. Oliver Dyer

    Of course the GOP is over politicking the Bergdahl trade. It is much easier for them to be overly critical and not really work towards any productive legislation,. An added bonus,... they get paid for it. Just look at the ones who over the past months wanted Bergdahl back home and praised his service to his country. Now that his release has been secured, they have removed those statements praising his service from their web sites. Yes I would trade 5 Talibans for 1 US soldier any day.

    June 7, 2014 at 6:15 am | Reply
  16. Bethany

    The GOP keep looking for their "Watergate Moment". What they should be grateful for is their "WOMD" controversy or the "Torture" thing. And the fact that GWB was looking, on day one, for an excuse to invade Iraq. Now that needs to be addressed as "Unlawful activity". And Chaney also needs to answer for his part.

    The President saved a Soldiers life. I love how they were all calling for his release, and now that he is released...They want to impeach Our President. However, if this same person had diied, they would have screamed about his death.

    June 6, 2014 at 6:39 pm | Reply
  17. art

    Her we go again, Gunderson get over it its the law of the land . The Gop politicizes every thing, they have become a bunch of whiney cry babies, they use to stand for something, now they are just embarrassing and pathetic. They have let themselves be overtaken by morons and bigots and will never ever get my vote again

    June 6, 2014 at 1:35 pm | Reply
    • Smitty

      Its sad that all who voted for Obumbles are now realizing how dumb they were to believe any thing out of his vile mouth. Tooo many, many lies and failures to list.

      June 6, 2014 at 8:00 pm | Reply
    • Gunderson

      Aw, So,
      As usual Art, you correct. The Inmates ARE still running Asylum. Last big idea, by the "Inmates", Liberal's, was invented by Inmates Barney Frank and Chris Dodd. They decided every "Inmate" could get mortgage on the Dollar down and a dollar when you catch me plan. Good plan, no? Because of your big plan, Leahman Brothers lost 600 Billion Dollars and went under. still here, Art? Next big "Inmate" plan, Dummy Care. Like what happened to the Leahman Brothers? Next stop, "Dummy Care".

      June 7, 2014 at 9:49 am | Reply
    • viking618

      Poor simple Gunderson, he is a zealot and ideologue who supports the Republicans no matter what. The GOP are the greatest threat to our country, they are the Taliban of the United States.

      June 7, 2014 at 10:51 am | Reply
    • lihsus

      The medias, especially CNN, blows it out of proportion. How can we forget the missing Malaysian plane. Hours and hours and 6 weeks of twists and turns of the story by CNN. CNN just gets hung up and excited.

      June 7, 2014 at 3:52 pm | Reply
  18. WOW

    Easy to say when you have Rice saying that Bengdahl was a hero and then she tries to reverse that and spin it....
    Note to Rice and time you try giving up the enemy, give the Congress 24 hour notice so they cant complain!! DUH!

    June 6, 2014 at 1:16 pm | Reply
    • The REAL Truth...

      Well. duh ! Congress knew 2 yrs ago... just like they "knew" about Benghazi... which is why both are being heavily politicized by the GOP....

      June 6, 2014 at 2:00 pm | Reply
      • countingdown

        We are talking about the democrats, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. They introduced the law and passed it, shaking their fingers at him and telling him to let them have 24 hours before releasing ANY of them so they could make preparation for damage control. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha

        June 13, 2014 at 2:22 pm |
  19. REGinAZ

    Politics is being aggressively played, taking advantage of the opportunity to excite, without any real value or thought for the people. Together, “the money” who “pull the strings” and their “puppet” politicians who preform as controlled, are using a constant barrage of propaganda to con the people and manipulate public opinion, without conscience or hesitation, using terms like “conservative” and “constitutional” and just constantly finding fault with their aim to sway people’s emotions. It really doesn’t take much objectivity to rationally see that to them “conservative” just means to prohibit government from enforcing regulations and oversight and instead to always allow the few to exploit the system, uninhibited; Bush-Cheney have already clearly proven that really costs the country, the tax payers greatly, with the majority always losing and only “the money” consistently gaining. And their demonstrative fault finding, while throughly aggressive and intentionally disruptive, is always slanted and never considers any contrary explanations. Really, isn’t it actually “constitutional” to prevent the few from taking advantage of the many and to instead create a level playing field for everyone, rather than rationalizing that “constitutional” should be interpreted to allow unrestricted advantage for “the money”; it would rationally seem that equality and fairness are actually the original objectives of the “constitution”.

    The Republican / Tea Party has literally become owned and controlled, in seeking the strong support of “the money”, and today they concentrate on serving only the few and on their own political ambitions, on just insultingly taking the voters for granted as being “pawns” to be easily duped, used and abused. They literally offer the people, the majority including the total middle-class, absolutely nothing and just depend on, together with “the money”, using the power, influence and mega-bucks provided (with substantial “strings” attached), to offer constant propaganda aimed to control public opinion and to sway voters. Their objectives and past results clearly show that they are consistently pushing this country further and further into being a two-class society, with “the money” aggressively competing in having it all, just feeding their insatiable “more” (never enough) appetite, while the majority consistently loses. Simply looking at Central America and South America we can see examples of where that leads. The disappearing middle-class is definitely not good but that is where “the money” is aggressively pushing America and it really doesn’t matter whether it is intentional or just an unintentional result of their irresponsible, unchecked, self-serving greed, the people are paying the price. It would seem that the voters have to decide whether they want to be “the money’s” “pawns”, constantly duped and pushed into lower class servitude, or accept that none are perfect while doing the pushing themselves, firmly rejecting the “puppets” and encouraging the rest to become better.

    June 6, 2014 at 11:58 am | Reply
    • william

      Seems to me that if the "democrats" would get off "welfare" and go back to "work" the country would be a lot better off. Instead of "whining" about Republicans who work for a living they should get their party back to the American dream of owning their own house. One that they purchased with "money" that didn't come from the government. They should buy "food" purchased with "money" that came from their "job" instead of "food stamps".

      June 6, 2014 at 3:02 pm | Reply
      • viking618

        All of your comments are very narrow minded and simplistic, not all Democrats are on welfare and food stamps, a lot of rank and file Republicans receive them also. What would you say to the Republicans (the rank and file) who suddenly lost their jobs because their company moved their operations overseas to China, Russia or Vietnam. After which they lost their homes to the big banks and Wall St. What would you say to Gov. Chris Christie of NJ would slashed the pensions of working folks to close a billion dollar budget gap that he created, and then he turns around and gives a $106 million dollar tax break to his largest campaign contributor. You support a political party that doesn't care about you one little bit. Lenin was right when he stated "Someday the capitalists will sell us the rope that we will hang them with." The Republican party will eventually destroy this country in their pursuit of greed, money, power and control.

        June 7, 2014 at 10:41 am |
      • basedonfact

        You do realize that the vast majority of food stamps go to lily white republican counties, right? For example McCreary County Kentucky is 91% white and voted 74% for Romney yet 54% of the total income in the entire county comes from government assistance and 72% of the population gets at least one form of assistance. LA County on the other hand only has 4% of its population receiving government assistance

        June 8, 2014 at 12:31 am |
  20. kurt

    Yes, the GOP is over-politicizing it.

    There are two distinct questions.

    1. Should we have gotten him out?

    2. Did he do something wrong.

    Question 1 is NOT related to question 2. There is room for debate over if we should have turned over the people we turned over in exchange for a soldier. I personally believe we were releasing those prisoners anyway due to politics and peace negotiations with the Taliban... but I admit there is room for a difference of opinion. But it doesn't matter if Bergdahl was a saint or a horrible guy... he's our serviceman and the decision is the same regardless of if he did something wrong or not. Do we get our guy out at that price... yes or no.

    The second question is really immaterial. The military will take action against him or they won't and THAT decision can be debated once it is made... but it doesn't influence the decision to get him one way or another.

    I believe we were going to release the prisoners regardless in order to reach some sort of peace with the Taliban. I believe we told the Taliban we wouldn't release them until they released the one US soldier they had, but we wanted them released regardless. I don't view getting him out in exchange for something we were going to do anyway as a loss for us.

    June 6, 2014 at 10:28 am | Reply
    • Keep in mind

      Keep in mind that you're making too much sense for the GOPTards that post here to understand. See Gunderson and countingdown.

      June 6, 2014 at 11:25 am | Reply
    • mickey

      let us get this straight this guy deserted his post and left a large area open where God forbid the terrorist did not run thru and kill every soldier in this compound. this guy is a deserter and I don`t care how you look at it.

      June 6, 2014 at 1:40 pm | Reply
      • kurt

        And if that's true he should have been brought home to stand trial. Doesn't change the fact that getting him in exchange for releasing guys who were going to get released anyway is what should have been done.

        June 7, 2014 at 12:00 am |
    • william

      You actually believe that we were going to release the worse known Terrorist in the world to make peace with the worse known terrorist? I guess you really can't fix stupid

      June 6, 2014 at 3:05 pm | Reply
      • kurt

        Who exactly is it we released that would qualify as a terrorist?

        These guys were government officials for the Taliban. There were a couple of governors, a minister of the interior, a border guard and their minister of defense.

        Did the Taliban harbor terrorists? Yes... just like Saudi Arabia has done in the past and is still doing. Did they directly commit terrorist acts against the US? No... they didn't. These aren't terrorists, they're enemy soldiers.

        We ARE making peace with the Taliban. We've been in the process of doing that for the past 3 or4 years on behalf of and at the request of the current Afghanistan government. Two years ago, Karzai announced that the release of these same 5 guys was imminent... without any exchange.

        These guys were getting released regardless of anything we might get in return.

        June 7, 2014 at 12:07 am |
  21. jboh

    TEA/GOP over-politicizes everything. You must have been in seclusion for five years to even ask tht question.

    June 6, 2014 at 9:56 am | Reply
  22. Maria Rivera-Carvalho

    Correction: Republicans over-politicize EVERYTHING to cover the fact that, besides hate, they have nothing to contribute.

    June 6, 2014 at 9:36 am | Reply
    • william

      Your are correct – Republicans don't like it when the president trades guns to murderers who in turn murder their border agents. Republicans don't like it when their president assigns the NSA to spy on them. Republicans don't like it when their president lies to them about health care. Republicans don't like it when their president trades deserters for terrorists. Republicans don't like it when the president allows veterans who have served our country to die waiting to see a doctor and then lie about it. Republicans don't like it when their president allows our ambassadors to be murdered and not do anything about it, and then LIE about why it happened. It this is politicalizing, then by all mean Republicans keep it up ! !

      June 6, 2014 at 3:29 pm | Reply
  23. Gunderson

    Are Liberal's Over Politicizing "Dummy" Care? Just another Bump in Road no? Whitewash City. And remember, If you like your Health Plan, you can keep your Health Plan, Period.

    June 6, 2014 at 9:22 am | Reply
    • You're poor

      I'll bet you LOVE your SS and Medicare. I'll bet your parents loved theirs too.

      June 6, 2014 at 11:21 am | Reply
      • mickey

        I don`t know about the rest of the people on this blog but I worked since I was fourteen. and I love my medicare and social security benefits.a pension from my job also. but people do have families who are on welfare and food stamps for generations.

        June 6, 2014 at 1:43 pm |
      • Gunderson

        Aw, Humm,
        Sorry. If you like job you can keep job, maybe. Dammit. Just when I get on easy street government pull rug out from under me. Social Security and Medicare running out of money! Humongus Federal Debt! Now over 17.7 Trillion dollars! Poor!, you forgot send money, now I poor also! When you send money !!

        June 6, 2014 at 3:39 pm |
      • Charlie

        To reply to mickey "people do have families who are on welfare and food stamps for generations," since the workfare legislation of the 1990s, welfare has work requirements. Most people on welfare and food stamps are there, either temporarily, or perpetually while working for low pay because corporations like Walmart subsidize their employees income with the welfare system, thus, the true welfare recipients are the Walton family who have more money than 40% of the nation combined. So your statements about the poor are misplaced. The problem is welfare for the wealthy, for the billionaires, while most people are on perpetual treadmills.

        June 10, 2014 at 10:27 am |
      • You hate poor people so who cares what you think

        You're poor @Jack – It's going to be funny when countingdown's head explodes when Hillary is elected POTUS. There won't be much to clean up. At least the janitors at the nut house will be happy about that.

        June 12, 2014at 3:09 pm |

        The question clearly irked Clinton, who said, "No, I don't think you are trying to clarify."

        "I think you are trying to say that I used to be opposed and now I am in favor and I did it for political reason and that is just flat wrong," Clinton said. "So let me just state what I feel like you are implying and repudiate it. I have a strong record. I have a great commitment to this issue and I am proud what Ihave done and the progress we are making."

        "You are playing with my words and playing with what is such an important issue," she said.


        June 13, 2014 at 8:38 am |
      • You hate poor people so who cares what you think

        "Your Poor" So you would be a hypocrite for posting this comment, from "Profile Of The Typical Republican Voter".

        "7. Probably retired and depending on SS and Medicare or will be the person most likely to need SS and Medicare."


        June 13, 2014 at 8:44 am |
    • viking618

      The money will start flowing as soon as all you simple minded Republicans remit $2 Trillion dollars to pay for the wars in IRAQ and Afghanistan. And you must remit via automatic deduction another Trillion dollars to pay for the long term care of the Veterans who were maimed and wounded. And how about an apology to the families whose sons and daughters were killed fighting over false WMDS. You have your head buried in the sand or some other dark moist place.

      June 7, 2014 at 10:48 am | Reply
  24. mike

    We now know he was not a deserter or a Taliban collaborator. We know 4 out of 5 of the detainees released are not as dangerous as they say they are. And we know partisan hacks are fabricating all kinds of scandals

    June 6, 2014 at 1:13 am | Reply
    • kurt

      The biggest problem is that the GOP cries wolf with inflated "scandals" so often that when there are actually legitimate things the administration does that they need to be called on, we all just assume the GOP is at it again.

      It's really stupid politics on their part too. They've lost credibility so badly because of ridiculous inflating of things like Benghazi, the IRS, the horrors of Obamacare and now this that we now assume everything they say negative against the president is just the GOP being the GOP... not anything substantial.

      And there have been substantial things that have been covered up or missed because of that. Things the GOP could have actually used and kept traction on nationally for an extended period. But they can't now because nobody trusts them to be unbiased in the least.

      June 6, 2014 at 12:19 pm | Reply
      • Adam

        I think the GOP is beginning to learn their lesson, though. After the lack of public outrage about Benghazi, and people blaming the GOP for the sequester and shutdown, and the fact that the GOP establishment is kicking out the Tea Party, we may see a more modern and stronger GOP around 2016. I think that the GOP will still flounder in 2014, but as a Democrat, I'm worried about our chances in 2016. The Democratic Party needs to get its butt in gear too. We need to stop alienating white male voters (face it, we have) and we need to stop letting the GOP define us. How they say that getting people off of welfare and back to work and balanced budgets are conservative values I will never know. And we do need to get serious about fixing the debt. The GOP is in need of repairs but they are repairing themselves. We Democrats can't get complacent about our faults too.

        June 8, 2014 at 2:21 am |
      • kurt

        Adam, 2016 will probably be strong for the democrats, just as 2014 will probably be weak.

        It doesn't have much to do with the strength of the parties, but rather the seats that are up for election. 2014 favors the GOP as the democrats are defending a slew of seats in red and purple states in the senate in an off-presidential year election.

        2016 is the exact opposite. The GOP is defending seats in purple states (only 10 of the seats up in 2016 in the senate are democrat held) won in 2010 at the peak of the anger at Obamacare. Except they'll be defending those seats in a presidential year, possibly with a popular democrat (Hillary) on the ticket.

        2014 could be difficult for democrats due to the seats in the election and the fact it's mid-term. But even if the GOP manages to win the majority in the senate, they'll almost surely lose it in 2016 for the exact same reasons.

        June 9, 2014 at 3:55 pm |
    • Charlie

      Yes, we know. You and I know. But that's just us. Millions of Fox viewers will believe what they heard from their pundits until their dying day.

      June 10, 2014 at 10:23 am | Reply

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