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Bergdahl a deserter?
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The following facts prove he's a deserter. He left his weapon and other gear on the base, he wasn't on any patrol, and you have multiple guys in his platoon saying he walked off the base. However, we are going to have to wait till this guy tells his side of the story. But he did desert his outfit.
kurt
Doesn't really matter.
DUMB AZZ, WHAT KIND OF CRAP IS THAT. YOUR FKING HERO NEGOTIATED WITH TERRORIST FOR HIS RELEASE THEN
PORTRAYED HIMSELF AS AS HERO SAVING A HERO ONLY TO FIND OUT HE WAS A DESERTER.
We were going to release these Taliban officials regardless as part of the talks for a peace deal between the Taliban and the Afghani government. Karzai actually wanted this 2 years ago (though now he's claiming it was bad... never easy to tell with him). Most likely he wanted to be the one to negotiate the release so he got something out of it instead of the US.
ONLY OBAMA WOULD HAVE RELEASED THESE SCUM BAGS, OR MAYBE HILLARY!
We released guys who were destined to be released... and instead of getting nothing but "goodwill" in return, we got our only POW serviceman out.
WHY DIDN'T THEY RESCUE HIM LIKE WHEN THEY FOUND AND KILLED OSAMA?
What we do with him is immaterial. Perhaps he goes to jail.
HE SHOULD STAND TRIAL FOR DESERTION FIRST AND TREASON SECOND!
Perhaps a dishonorable discharge. Perhaps nothing. But the end result for him has nothing to do with if we should have gotten him or let him rot. Getting him out was the right call. What happens to him afterward will be aresult of what he did.
YOUR WHOLE ARGUMENT IS SO UNBELIEVABLE SAD! FOR YOU TO DEFEND THIS ADMINISTRATION'S INCOMPREHENSIBLE ACTION IN THIS MANOR IS SICKING! I HAVE READ SOME OF YOUR BABBLING POST ON OTHER THREADS AND THEY USUALLY CONTAIN TYPICAL PROGRESSIVE LIBERAL BS, BUT THIS TAKES THE CAKE. DAM* WHAT WILL IT TAKE FOR YOU LIBERALS TO SAY ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, BERGDAHL, VA, IRS, NSA, F&F, IRAN, PUTIN, OBCARE, ON AND ON AND ON AND ON? I JUST HOPE NONE OF THESE POSS DON'T SUCCEED IN AN ATTACK ON AMERICA OR AMERICANS!
"Doesn't really matter.
DUMB AZZ, WHAT KIND OF CRAP IS THAT. YOUR FKING HERO NEGOTIATED WITH TERRORIST FOR HIS RELEASE THEN
PORTRAYED HIMSELF AS AS HERO SAVING A HERO ONLY TO FIND OUT HE WAS A DESERTER. "
Yes, because we never negotiate with terrorists to get hostages back... except EVERY time we get hostages back. Look up Reagan's terrorist negotiations for some historical perspective.
"We were going to release these Taliban officials regardless as part of the talks for a peace deal between the Taliban and the Afghani government. Karzai actually wanted this 2 years ago (though now he's claiming it was bad... never easy to tell with him). Most likely he wanted to be the one to negotiate the release so he got something out of it instead of the US.
ONLY OBAMA WOULD HAVE RELEASED THESE SCUM BAGS, OR MAYBE HILLARY!"
Or anyone else who is trying to get our troops out of afghanistan and wants the group controlling half the country to be pacified. They were getting released. These were cabinet members and provincial governors who ran Afghanistan before we invaded. These weren't Al Quada members. Some of you can't seem to tell the difference.
"What we do with him is immaterial. Perhaps he goes to jail.
HE SHOULD STAND TRIAL FOR DESERTION FIRST AND TREASON SECOND!"
Fine. Still doesn't impact the decision to try to get him home.
"Perhaps a dishonorable discharge. Perhaps nothing. But the end result for him has nothing to do with if we should have gotten him or let him rot. Getting him out was the right call. What happens to him afterward will be aresult of what he did.
YOUR WHOLE ARGUMENT IS SO UNBELIEVABLE SAD! FOR YOU TO DEFEND THIS ADMINISTRATION'S INCOMPREHENSIBLE ACTION IN THIS MANOR IS SICKING! I HAVE READ SOME OF YOUR BABBLING POST ON OTHER THREADS AND THEY USUALLY CONTAIN TYPICAL PROGRESSIVE LIBERAL BS, BUT THIS TAKES THE CAKE. DAM* WHAT WILL IT TAKE FOR YOU LIBERALS TO SAY ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, BERGDAHL, VA, IRS, NSA, F&F, IRAN, PUTIN, OBCARE, ON AND ON AND ON AND ON? I JUST HOPE NONE OF THESE POSS DON'T SUCCEED IN AN ATTACK ON AMERICA OR AMERICANS!"
The Taliban never attacked America and only Americans who invaded their country. Again you can't seem to tell the difference between Al Quadea and the Taliban. I like Obamacare. I'm glad the VA situation is being addressed with a progressive plan from Bernie Sanders. I think the handling of Iran and Putin is MUCH better then the previous administrations. I think the IRS was wrong for targeting progressive AND conservative political groups. I think the Berghdahl decision was correct and I do think that if he did wrong he should face charges. And fast and furious was a mistake... but not the big deal you seem to think it was.
I can also post without the caps lock key activated. Try it sometime.
@Kurt – Don't bother with countingdown. He's poor and on SS and Medicare yet still votes for the GOP to cut his SS and Medicare benefits. He's a bonafide moron. He can't even put a proper sentence together. That's why he uses the Caps Lock button. I hope the Koch's aren't paying him because they are not getting their moneys worth. He makes his own party (GOP) look like the buffoons they are. So in other words, keep posting countingdown(to Hillary)!!
Don't bother
AKA "Your Poor"
@Kurt – Don't bother with countingdown. He's poor and on SS and Medicare yet still votes for the GOP to cut his SS and Medicare benefits. He's a bonafide moron. He can't even put a proper sentence together. That's why he uses the Caps Lock button. I hope the Koch's aren't paying him because they are not getting their moneys worth. He makes his own party (GOP) look like the buffoons they are. So in other words, keep posting countingdown(to Hillary)!!
June 6, 2014 at 2:30 pm |
You hate poor people so who cares what you think You're poor @Jack – It's going to be funny when countingdown's head explodes when Hillary is elected POTUS. There won't be much to clean up. At least the janitors at the nut house will be happy about that.
June 12, 2014at 3:09 pm |
The question clearly irked Clinton, who said, "No, I don't think you are trying to clarify."
"I think you are trying to say that I used to be opposed and now I am in favor and I did it for political reason and that is just flat wrong," Clinton said. "So let me just state what I feel like you are implying and repudiate it. I have a strong record. I have a great commitment to this issue and I am proud what Ihave done and the progress we are making."
"You are playing with my words and playing with what is such an important issue," she said.
HA, HA, HA, HA, YOUR QUEEN IS HAVING TROUBLE KEEPING HER COMPOSURE ANSWERING QUESTIONS FROM A LIBERALNEWS OUTLET JUST WAIT UNTIL ACTUALLY HAS TO FACE OPPONENTS FROM EITHER PARTY. HA, HA, HA, HA
June 13, 2014 at 8:38 am |
Don't bother AKA "Your Poor"
@Kurt – Don't bother with countingdown. He's poor and on SS and Medicare yet still votes for the GOP to cut his SS and Medicare benefits. He's a bonafide moron. He can't even put a proper sentence together. That's why he uses the Caps Lock button. I hope the Koch's aren't paying him because they are not getting their moneys worth. He makes his own party (GOP) look like the buffoons they are. So in other words, keep posting countingdown(to Hillary)!!
June 6, 2014 at 2:30 pm |
You hate poor people so who cares what you think "Your Poor" So you are a hypocrite for posting this comment, from "Profile Of The Typical Republican Voter".
"7. Probably retired and depending on SS and Medicare or will be the person most likely to need SS and Medicare."
FOR ALL TO SEE > YOU HATE PEOPLE WHO DEPEND ON SOCIAL SECURITY, BTW, ITS OUR MONEY DH. SINCE YOU ARE TOO DUMB TO KNOW YOU WILL HAVE MEDICARE TOO, BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE A CHOICE, AT 65 ALL INSURANCE POLICIES BECOME SECONDARY, THAT INCLUDES YOUR PRECIOUS OBAMACARE.
"The Taliban never attacked America and only Americans who invaded their country. Again you can't seem to tell the difference between Al Quadea and the Taliban."
Come on man, this islamic state battle for iraq also includes Baathist fighters from the Naqshabandiyya Way and Jaish al-Mujahideen along side Jaish Ansar al-Sunnah andSunni militias and the growing number of Awakening Council defectors joining these militias coordinate directly with the Majlis Thuwar al Anbar (Anbar insurgents’ council). The isis has ties to Mujahideen Shura Council, Al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI), Jaysh al-Fatiheen, Jund al-Sahaba, Katbiyan Ansar Al-Tawhid wal Sunnah, Jeish al-Taiifa al-Mansoura etc., and other groups that were dominant Sunni Islam which intended to put in place a caliphate, but after a power grab by Isis al-qaeda cut itself loose but still coordinates actions with the group.
" I like Obamacare."
That is not surprising but 74% of the nation does not like obamacare.
" I'm glad the VA situation is being addressed with a progressive plan from Bernie Sanders."
Forced by the American public out cry.
" I think the handling of Iran and Putin is MUCH better then the previous administrations."
That is not surprising to you Obama does nothing wrong.
"I think the IRS was wrong for targeting progressive AND conservative political groups."
Of course you do, liar. NO ACTION TAKEN ON PROGRESSIVE GROUPS, DOZENS OF CONSERVATIVE GROUPS DENIED TAX-EXEMPT STATUS.
" I think the Berghdahl decision was correct and I do think that if he did wrong he should face charges."
Of course you do because to you obama is a saint, but the FACT is obama used his release to portray himself a hero saving a hero to ease the heat he was taking over the VA.
" And fast and furious was a mistake... but not the big deal you seem to think it was."
BS, tell that to the family of Agent Brian Terry and the hundreds of Mexican civilians killed.
"Ican also post without the caps lock key activated. Try it sometime."
BTW, I USED CAPS TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN YOUR CRAP AND MY RESPONSE. SUGGEST YOU TRY POSTING TRUTH AND LOGIC SOMETIME.
I understand that your total devotion to the weakest president the United States has ever had will not allow you to uncover your eyes to reality, but what I can't fathom is your arrogance in his defense; which prompts this question. Why do you want to be a Communist? Nothing in your writings nor his presidency promotes freedom, only socialism in the extreme.
Doesn't really matter.
We were going to release these Taliban officials regardless as part of the talks for a peace deal between the Taliban and the Afghani government. Karzai actually wanted this 2 years ago (though now he's claiming it was bad... never easy to tell with him). Most likely he wanted to be the one to negotiate the release so he got something out of it instead of the US.
We released guys who were destined to be released... and instead of getting nothing but "goodwill" in return, we got our only POW serviceman out.
What we do with him is immaterial. Perhaps he goes to jail. Perhaps a dishonorable discharge. Perhaps nothing. But the end result for him has nothing to do with if we should have gotten him or let him rot. Getting him out was the right call. What happens to him afterward will be a result of what he did.
Do something constructive
Hey Cupp! Do something you're qualified for and draw us a picture of some cookies.
CUPP WILL LEAVE THAT TO YOU, YOU ARE MORE QUALIFIED AT DRAWING PICTURES AND IDENTIFYING INK BLOBS!
It is pathetic when professional complainers like Cupp judge situations they cannot wrap their feeble minds around. Berghdal should be judged, but only by his PEERS, which is a list that does not include Conservative Barbie dolls whose only moment of danger has come from overly aggressive hair die.
"Bubba
It is pathetic when professional complainers like Cupp judge situations they cannot wrap their feeble minds around. Berghdal should be judged, but only by his PEERS, which is a list that does not include Conservative Barbie dolls whose only moment of danger has come from overly aggressive hair die.
June 5, 2014 at 3:40 pm | Reply"
It is pathetic professional liberal idiots like you can't admit the president fked up as normal! Sure this piss ant should stand trial now he has been released, but this wasn't how the liar in chief portrayed him nor how his release should have been accomplished.
We do not leave our troops behind on the battlefield. Period.
I don't believe he was LEFT anywhere. He walked way voluntarily and wanted to give up his US citizenship. He converted to Islam and chose to help them with intelligence. We traded five Generals for one private deserter? Some how we got screwed in this. The Obama Admin tell the military to shut up and salute. From what is coming out, these terrorists have freedom of movement and you don't think they are communicating with former colleagues. They were guilty of war crimes according to the UN, having killed thousands of fellow Muslims. What is to protect Americans from these terrorists. We have never dealt with terrorists before, so here is a precedent that put Americans in danger.
Bergdahl may have been an American(?) held by Taliban sympathizers, but his irresponsible behavior cost at least 14 lives, he wanted to give up his citizenship and he was never classified by the military as a POW. He is not worth what this has cost and what it will cost in the future.
I would like to see some proof to back up your allegations. Yes, he walked away from his post, but explain this to me: who in their right mind would walk off his 'protected' post with nothing more than a compass and a bottle of water, in a designated combat zone no less? If you were in the military, stationed in Bergdahl's unit, would you do that? As far as what the Congress is saying, well, all they seem to have done over the past six years is talk – no action, just a lot of talk and bitching, but no real action. You need to take a much harder look at what the 'talking heads' are saying. There is an old saying that goes 'believe half of what you see, a fourth of what you read, and none of what you hear'. I watch some blonde younger lady on CNN really giving virtually everybody hell, yet it was very obvious that she didn't know her ...from a hole in the ground. From the little bit that has been publicized about the 5 men released in exchange for Bergdahl, they are to have to stay in Qatar for a year before they can leave, and that purportedly is something that the Emir of Qatar has assured would take place, and his honor is on the line if they don't stay there, and honor in the Middle East is not something that is bantered around lightly. Then you have all this crap coming from the Obama hater's who go to any length to try to make him look bad. If congress was capable of keeping things secret that are secret, then they probably would get more info than they got re: 30 day notice. But I've seen to many times when top secret things which are very definitely important to national security find their way into the news media (and I work in intelligence gathering for to many years so I know where of what I speak). Perhaps you would have been happier if Bergdahl got publically beheaded and that video spread all over YouTube.
I have a hard time classifying him as an active soldier deserter. et him go
I have a hard time classifying him as someone in his right mind.
What sane person just grabs a compass and a water bottle and wanders off into the wilderness in Afghanistan?
The evidence is pretty conclusive that he abandoned his post. The problem now that he is back is what to do about it. He volunteered for military duty as there is no draft anymore. Sylvia, calling names puts you at the bottom of society. Is that where you want to be?
Bergdahl's team leader: Intercepted radio chatter said he sought talks with the Taliban
by Dan Donahue, Jake Tapper, Sherisse Pham
The dumb ones are the ones that insist on protecting him no matter what he did.
SMDH here we go again with people passing judgement before any evidence is presented, and any testimony given under oath, just so a right winger can blast Obama. Have you people no shame?!? You are criticizing bringing an AMERICAN SOLDIER home! What in the he11 is wrong with you
I don't recall anyone waiting for evidence when criticizing the Bush administration. The former military members coming forward with facts regarding Bergdahl and his behavior in 2009, have nothing to gain by what they are doing. There is no reason to suspect that anything they are corroborating is untrue. They honored their vow to say nothing to risk Bergdahl safety while he was in custody. Anyone of reasonable mind and judgement is free to draw conclusions. You should be ashamed telling fellow Americans to surrender their rights because it "bother" you.
Yet again, it's not about the soldier. It's about trying,once again, to pin something on President Obama. Wait for the facts.
It is not about pinning anything on Obama. The fact that you think this indicates a lack of appreciation of the magnitude of these actions. Setting the precedent of tolerating desertion, will negotiate with terrorists, and to do these negotiations with an absolutely tone deaf ear, as to how this was going to be received by the American Public, and without the information regarding Bergdahl's previous actions is just absolutely poor performance of their jobs.
Now I ask - what will be done to gain the release of Americans held in Iran, Cuba and Mexico? After this precedent what is their freedom going to cost America, or will they continue to languish in prison.
For the SecDef to say he was ignorant of Bergdahl's behavior before the release is an admission of incompetence.
PLEASE REALIZE THAT NO MATTER HOW BIG OBAMA'S EGO IS, AND HOW MUCH HE THINKS EVERYTHING HAS TO DO WITH HIM, BECAUSE HE IS THE CENTER OF THE WORLD. THE REACTION CONCERNING THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH OBAMA, EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THAT HE ORCHESTRATED IT AND INSISTED IT HAPPEN. If Bush did his the outrage would be louder only because Obama supporters would join the rest of us. The Republican Party and Conservatives would still be outraged!!!
So based on your talking point, you were there, and saw him walking away from his post...Ridiculous assessment, when you have NO FACTS.
Ditto what Sylvia said.
The fact that interviews with soliders that served with Berghdahl are being arranged and orchestrated by Republican strategists is completely disgusting. His guilt or innocence will be determined after an investigation and possibly a trial. Until then, he is presumed innocent.
Cupp knows this how?
Look around the iternet there is information everywhere.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCAQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rollingstone.com%2Fpolitics%2Fnews%2Famericas-last-prisoner-of-war-20120607&ei=CbePU5a9CJKKqgak3IDIAQ&usg=AFQjCNHwPXosncqPbTA5oEHbms_kgCPDmg&sig2=-4fqwmxww8ErDKiuv5CMvQ&bvm=bv.68235269,d.b2k
Look around the internet. There's proof that Bush Sr. murdered JFK using EH Hunt as the hit man when Bush Sr. was director of the CIA. There's also proof that aliens helped Hitler during WWII. There's proof that Faux news is not really a news channel. There's proof that O.J. is guilty of murder. There's proof that *fill in the blank here*. But how about we wait for the trial.
Who is S.E. Cupp?
Hey Cupp! Do something you're qualified for and draw us a picture of some cookies.
I have no idea if he deserted his post and apparently, neither does the media. I will say even if he did we still don't know what his mental state was at the time and it might make a difference in how he should be treated. In any even, I will reserve judgement until all the facts are in.
You are right he is entitled to a hearing and a court martial. That said we know that those Taliban released will kill again. We know that Obama broke the law in releasing these men without notifying congress. We do know that Van Jones is a self admitted commie and as such is an enemy of the US. Sylvia your childish rant and disdain for Cupp proves you most likely are a simple minded progressive without much between your ears. I am not sure how you were able to include racism in all of this but again being a simpleton it is predictable.
You don't know if he abandoned his post or not. You my dumb four eyed friend is just repeating rumor & inuendo orchestrated by you racist bastards in the republican party.
His unit all came forthwith and stated he was. This isn't a repub or dem thing. its about Obumbles picking another loser, his norm. Face it Obumbles never was and never will be up for the job.
Wow – you call the correspondent all those names and then go on to curse at the rep party. Seems the person with problems is looking right back at you in the mirror. You really should seek some help.
If you choose to look for the information regarding Bergdahl's desertion all you have to do is look. Back in 2009 there was a great deal of discussion and speculation about this, speculation because his fellow soldiers were told to refrain from commenting for Bowe's safety. Since that is no longer in danger they are free to reveal the truth. Why would you want to glorify someone who really doesn't deserve it. He chose to join the Army, he made a commitment and then reneged on his vow. He risked the lives of others with his actions, where is your compassion for those families?
Miranda, you must be very selective in where you are getting the things you are repeating (I won't necessarily call it valid information). One of the generals (who is on active duty – not retired and turned into a talking head) stated that no determination has been made as to whether or Bergdahl's absence was the cause for the deaths that are being attributed to any searching that was done for him. The general stated that the troops would have been out on patrols regardless of where Bergdahl was at. Like some one else who posted to this list has said, no one knows/knew what Bergdahl's state of mind was. Case in point – look at the number of incidents where a soldier suddenly started shooting the troops who were around him, and after an investigation it was determined that the person had not exhibited any indication that he was going to snap and use those around him as a target. BTW, why do some pictures of Bergdahl in dress uniform look more like a marine's uniform rather than an army uniform? Also, I take umbrage at your pontificating about someone wanting "to glorify someone who really doesn't deserve it." And really, how dare you state the 'he risked the lives of others with his actions". Any one either in the military or in a NGO who were in that combat zone were at risk of either being shot or dismembered by some type of explosive device, and to try to pin that fact on one individual is ludicrous I'm curious as to what else your crystal ball is showing you.