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Second amendment rights or reckless?
April 23rd, 2014
05:02 PM ET

Second amendment rights or reckless?

Ellijay, Georgia (CNN) - Georgia Gov. Nathan Deal signed a wide-ranging gun bill into law Wednesday that has critics howling and proponents applauding.

House Bill 60, or the Safe Carry Protection Act of 2014 - which opponents have nicknamed the "guns everywhere bill" - specifies where Georgia residents can carry weapons. Included are provisions that allow residents who have concealed carry permits to take guns into some bars, churches, school zones, government buildings and certain parts of airports.

GeorgiaCarry, which lobbied for the bill, calls it "meaningful pro-gun legislation," despite it being watered down from the group's perspective. Still, the group has lauded the legislation, which will go into effect July 1. Americans for Responsible Solutions opposed the bill, calling it "extremism in action."


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  1. 21st Century Patriot

    I don't know why anyone is supposed to feel safer when strangers around him are carrying guns. To you gun toters... I don't know you. I have nothing to assure me that you're not some whacko about to snap from a bad day at work or home. I don't know if you're an ex-criminal. I have no reason to think that you are trained to properly engage in some well-meaning but misguided attempt to use that piece you're packing.

    The gun folks talk like there are two distinct species of humans: law-abiders and criminals. But every criminal was a law-abiding citizen until they committed their first crime. And it's often a gun that gave them the sense of power to do it,

    April 27, 2014 at 2:10 pm | Reply
    • Curious

      Everything you said about "gun toters" could be said about you; nobody knows you or what you are capable of. How can one be assured that you will not snap and endanger everyone around you. You are likely a latent sociopath, seeing as every single one in history started out "law abiding".

      Perhaps you should read the law, look at the plenty of other states out there that have similar laws (or components) in place, and then look up the stats. People with CCW permits ARE NOT who you should be worried about.

      April 28, 2014 at 10:04 am | Reply
    • Ken

      Criminals are born with that mindset, they are not taught. Many have been faced with doing something illegal, most just don't.

      April 28, 2014 at 3:45 pm | Reply
      • Eagle0541

        Born with that mindset? Really? So you are saying that minorities who commit a majority of crimes are "born" that way? Wow! Just wow!

        April 28, 2014 at 8:38 pm |
  2. Vietnam Veteran

    Read and understand the Preamble to the Constitution, apply it as written and adopted and then come back and explain your interpretation. Hint: "To provide for the common defense" is the key phrase here. Caution: WILL REQUIRE LOGICAL THOUGHT PROCESS TO BE TURNED ON

    April 26, 2014 at 10:29 am | Reply
  3. Vote for Pedro

    Y'all a bunch of Hoes and Obama's your pimp.

    April 25, 2014 at 4:48 pm | Reply
    • david saint

      lol more like, you are a minion, and the NRA/ gun companies are your master.

      April 28, 2014 at 4:56 pm | Reply
      • Mark

        That was the stupidest comeback I've ever read in a comment section.

        April 28, 2014 at 9:38 pm |
  4. Rich

    Is the end of school, office, bar, mall, salon, street massacres "Reckless"?

    April 25, 2014 at 12:34 pm | Reply
    • amusedbyyou

      this will lead to more deaths not fewer

      April 27, 2014 at 5:31 pm | Reply
      • Curious

        Yet every single stat our there proves your wrong. Hint: GA is no pioneer in passing these types of laws – they exist in a lot of states.

        April 28, 2014 at 10:06 am |
  5. Tom R.

    The legislators of Georgia, Kansas, etc. are so brave! They are willing to allow guns in businesses, schools, libraries, and nearly everywhere else but you'll notice where they are not allowed; in government office buildings. In other words, everywhere except near their own workplaces. They will endanger everyone else but not themselves. What cowards!

    April 25, 2014 at 1:38 am | Reply
    • TexTopCat

      Sorry, but having good citizens armed does not endanger anyone except the violent criminal who wants to harm you.

      April 25, 2014 at 10:27 am | Reply
      • amusedbyyou

        there is nothing in the law that requires one to be a "good citizen"

        April 27, 2014 at 5:32 pm |
    • Sp60

      Sorry Tom, but you are wrong. This law allows them in every public building that does not have it's own security and screening.

      April 25, 2014 at 10:52 am | Reply
      • LonnieT

        What judge are you talking about? I read about Senator Jesse Stone being involved with some deal according to a gun rights group. Is he the judge?

        May 13, 2014 at 8:37 pm |
    • TC

      It actually said in Government Buildings. However, as strong of a proponent I am for guns I don't think a bar is a great place for a gun.

      April 26, 2014 at 6:53 pm | Reply
  6. MrSatyre

    So, the same law-abiding gun owners who weren't committing any crimes are now allowed to go to places where they still aren't going to commit any crimes...and this somehow makes the state more dangerous? The people more reckless? They weren't reckless before; why would they suddenly become so now? Meanwhile the criminals are still conducting the business of rape, murder and more.

    April 24, 2014 at 6:07 pm | Reply
    • kurt

      To be honest, I've got no problems with bars or churches allowing guns if the owners/members choose. They should have to post a sign indicating firearms are present, but those are places people voluntarily attend. I certainly don't want to go to a bar where there are guns... because drunk people with guns frighten me. Drunk gun usage and drunk driving both seem like pretty bad ideas.

      The big problem I have is schools.

      I don't want it to be acceptable for teachers or other adults to bring their weapons to schools. There isn't a choice there (at least not for those who can't afford private schools). Parents are required by law to send their kids to those schools.

      And we have teachers engaging in sexual relationships with students. We have teachers allowing students to beat up other students to "teach discipline". We have teachers forcing students to wear dog collars or eat trash as punishments. We have despicable verbal abuse by teachers. All of these are news stories from the past couple of years.

      Teachers are human. They are also under a LOT of stress... and some make poor decisions. Arming them around our kids.... just seems dumb. Have a cop in each school if we feel the need to defend against mass shootings. Someone who's trained in gun use, who's JOB is to de-escalate situations and who is not dealing with the daily resposabilities and stress that teachers must deal with.

      April 25, 2014 at 8:42 am | Reply
      • TexTopCat

        Let me understand, you think that the children killed at Sandy Hook is OK and should be permitted? A trained and armed staft member could have stopped the event with child harmed. Do you have any evidence of an armed teacher doing harm with a weapon? Many places have armed teachers in the US and have had for years.

        April 25, 2014 at 10:30 am |
      • kurt

        The problem with "trained individuals" with guns in school:

        What if it's this guy:

        or this guy:

        or this guy:

        Yeah... let's keep the guns away from my kid instead.

        April 25, 2014 at 2:00 pm |
      • Sp60

        So rather than weed out bad teachers, the answer is to ban law abiding ones from protecting themselves and others.

        At the end of the day, there are risks in life. You cannot foresee and prevent every problem.

        However a 'bad' teacher could bring a gun into school today, and once they did, who else would be there, armed and able to stop them?

        In fact even if a teacher was one of the people allowed to carry in a school yet still one of the 'bad' ones you mention, they would know that they would be confronted immediately by the other 'good' teachers that were also armed, just like an external attacker.

        April 25, 2014 at 8:21 pm |
      • kurt

        Listen, this may sound odd to you but I don't view armed teachers as "protection" for my son in school. I view them as a threat.

        I view police officers as protection, because the training they recieve plus the content of their work lets me have some confidence that they know how to handle situations with criminals coming into schools. I don't view your average gun owner in that way (including myself). The average person in this country is lacking in common sense to be perfectly honest... just like the gun owners above. They have the right to have their "darwin" moment and remove themselves from the gene pool. I just don't want them doing that in the school my child attends where they could take him along with them.

        Hunt all you want. Protect your home. But don't act the part of amateur police officer in a school. I don't want justice by gunslinger. Leave that to professionals.

        April 28, 2014 at 12:56 pm |
  7. jboh

    The NRA stopped being a gun owners advocate when the gun makers started paying them $. The NRA has become a shill for the gun manufacuturers only. As to rights, why don't we ever hear about responsibility. Local paper, 2yr old shoots 11yr old cousin". The owner of that gun should be jailed for child endangerment, if only it didn't infringe on his rights.

    April 24, 2014 at 10:12 am | Reply
    • TexTopCat

      NRA is supported by its members and donations. It is a civil rights and gun safety organization. Please get your facts straight and stop repeating the lies from Bloomberg.

      April 25, 2014 at 10:32 am | Reply
      • You voted for Palin didn't you

        You voted for Palin didn't you. That explains it then.

        April 25, 2014 at 4:31 pm |
      • jboh

        I can't stand Bloomberg, donations from gun makers? Assault rifles with silencers for hunting? Pathetic.

        April 26, 2014 at 9:34 am |
    • Sp60

      You are obviously uninformed about the NRA. Probably best if you stopped posting about things you have no information about, yet seem to treat as fact...

      April 25, 2014 at 8:22 pm | Reply
      • jboh

        You need to inform yourself about Wayne La Pierre's connection to the gun manufacturers assoc. Today's NRA is promoting an arms race between police and populace. A race in which its puppet masters plan to arm both sides in an endless cycle.

        April 26, 2014 at 9:31 am |
  8. We know one thing for sure

    If any of the GOP posters here get shot in the head, there won't be much to clean up.

    April 24, 2014 at 8:47 am | Reply
    • Kyle B.

      We all know what will come out of your head if gets shot..

      April 25, 2014 at 2:30 pm | Reply
      • You voted for Palin didn't you

        You voted for Palin didn't you. Epic fail.

        April 25, 2014 at 4:27 pm |
  9. sammy750

    Killer Gov. Deal who told the world he has had a top rating the NRA for 20 years. He would support them in anything they want him to do. Gov. Deal who ignored the people of his state, to get funds for his election from the NRA. A senile Gov. who has no common sense, but a puppet of the NRA. Maybe some day he will feel the results of what he stands for. He has given the green light to criminals, gangs to carry guns, challenge law enforcement, since they cannot ask for gun permits anymore. Law Enforcement, what good are they with a radical Gov. that is enticing people to go out and kill and not be charged with the murder. I hope the voters of GA give DEAL a sounding Defeat in 2014.

    April 24, 2014 at 7:34 am | Reply
    • Sp60

      Foolish viewpoint. Deal said he would sign any 2A legislation that crossed his desk.

      However, he did everything in his power to kill this bill, including bribing a committee chairman with a judgeship to gut it.

      This bill was passed overwhelmingly by the legislators because the people of GA made their wishes very, very clear to them that it must be passed.

      Even Jason Carter, Jimmy's grandson running against Deal (and a lib-Dem) voted for this bill.

      You obviously have no clue about how this bill came to pass. Just another low-information non-voter.

      April 25, 2014 at 8:25 pm | Reply
      • Vietnam Veteran

        Typical election year politics.........nothing more. Do not misrepresent the state legislators [senators/representatives] as voting for the will of the people. The only thing the people of the state of Georgia are responsible for is electing these pawns of special interests. The only things these politicians support are special interest groups policies/wants and their own election/re-election interests. Once they feed at the trough they are always obligated to those who fill the trough.

        April 26, 2014 at 10:18 am |
  10. Minnie Mouse

    Accidents just waiting to happen. Allowing guns in bars with people drinking alcohol is ridiculous! Everyone has a right to defend themselves but there are people who will carry around guns just because they can now. Some people are not properly trained or not in the right mind to carry a weapon. Bad decision!

    April 24, 2014 at 7:00 am | Reply
  11. Anthony

    It is a deep red state. If Republicans want the freedom to shoot at one another, I say let them.

    April 23, 2014 at 9:51 pm | Reply
    • Sp60

      Law abiding citizens with permits are less likely to commit a violent crime than a police officer, and far less likely than an anti-rights idjit like you...

      April 25, 2014 at 8:26 pm | Reply
      • Anthony

        All citizens are law-abiding ones until they start shooting. If Republicans start shooting at one another, the world will have fewer gun-toting Republicans.

        April 26, 2014 at 11:05 am |
    • Eagle0541

      I guess you can say the same about black killing blacks in Chicago and Detroit. The more they kill each other the better, right? Liberalism is truly a disease.

      April 28, 2014 at 8:44 pm | Reply
  12. Kyle Grimm

    The thing that gets me in the Article it says "Americans for Responsible Solutions" calls this "Extremism in Action". Why can a man wear a certain costume that protects him from the "Laws" because he is a Police Officer drive around all day with Weapons, and Shotguns, and all kinds of Guns and that is not considered "Extremism"? I mean America is turning the Police into the Military, why isn't that Extremism? I go to Quiktrip and police are hanging out and they have AK-47's and Bulletproof Vests and look like actual Nazis and I look around Quiktrip and the only thing causing any Fear is that Man with all that Extreme Gear... I'm just saying. I do not Fear my fellow American with a weapon. I do Fear my fellow American (With State Protection and all the Rights to Harass Me and Put Me in a Cage, I mean we say we have rights but Police do not Respect them) why does CNN call citizens with weapons "Extreme" while citizens with State Protection who want to drive around with weapons and tanks is totally normal and not a negative in society. Did that make any sense? LOL ARM UP AMERICA! Because the Cops don't work for the Good Guys no more. They don't care who they work for because they savor power over others like a bee savors honey. Power to the PEOPLE. (The Police are Not The People when they Kill Someone and Go On Vacation instead of a Trial.)

    April 23, 2014 at 9:04 pm | Reply
  13. Tony

    I say it's their state, and if they want to do it, more power to them.

    Do I think it's smart? Well, in no logical and thorough analysis will more guns equal less gun violence. Don't get me wrong, you'll have cases where it goes just like the pro-gun advocate claims. But it's simple law of probability, if you have MORE of something, you'll have MORE events that involve that something–not in all cases every time, but overall, yes.

    So, let's see how it goes down in Geogia over the next couple years. Will be interesting to see. You could say it's the gun-lover's favorite theory put to real practice, right?

    April 23, 2014 at 7:55 pm | Reply
    • BTLProd

      then how do you explain Utah, Idaho, Wyoming, and New Hampshire, the states with the laxest gun laws in the Country, compared to Illinois, and especially Chicago, and Washington DC which have the strictest gun laws?

      April 23, 2014 at 11:28 pm | Reply
      • Sp60

        BTW, I wouldn't call laws that respect the rights of individual citizens 'lax', but your point is valid.

        April 25, 2014 at 8:27 pm |
    • Chaoseff3ct

      actually dude, it has been proven by many government agencies that more guns in the hands of regular citizens actually curbs gun violence, the states that have the most gun violence also have the strictest laws on owning weapons. and the weapons in areas that serve alcohol is stupid i admit, but the rest is fine, there are numerous cases to support this. and also to be honest guns really don't kill more people in violent crimes than knives(of all sorts) and even peoples fists in a year, here in the states. so... facts, they are a thing, and this is not a new thing. its in a few other states, and since implemented violent crime rates have dropped significantly.

      May 1, 2014 at 5:42 am | Reply
  14. kurt

    The thing that's going to happen is at some point a student is going to take a teacher's firearm and shoot themselves or another person... or a teacher will mistakenly shoot a student they thought was armed... or the teacher will have a mental incident and go on a shooting spree.

    If a church wants to allow firearms... that's their call. Same goes for a bar. But adding more weapons to a school environment just doesn't seem like a wise move... particularly in the hands of teachers who are supposed to be focused on teaching and may not be able to focus as they'd need to on weapon safety. If Georgia wants guns in school for protection... then hire police officers who's job is to be in the school all day who doesn't have other responsibilities.

    April 23, 2014 at 7:08 pm | Reply
    • BTLProd

      hasn't happened in Utah, Wyoming or New Hampshire.

      April 23, 2014 at 11:29 pm | Reply
      • kurt

        New Hampshire had a school shooting at an elementary school a few years back. Kid shot himself in the cafeteria. There was this fairly famous incident in Wyoming as well... the Cokeville Elementary School Hostage crisis. Then there was the Casper College shooting. Then there was the Central Middle school shooting at a middle school gym class.

        April 24, 2014 at 4:32 pm |
    • TexTopCat

      There are many schools that have armed teachers. So far no bad events have happened. Why would you trust a "resource officer" with minimum training that do not know the students, over a highly educated professional that knows the students and is responsible for the students? A small number of security officers offer only the illusion of protection, not protection.

      April 25, 2014 at 10:40 am | Reply
  15. Right To Bare Arms

    I don't like sleeves.

    April 23, 2014 at 7:02 pm | Reply
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    April 23, 2014 at 6:32 pm | Reply
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    April 23, 2014 at 6:26 pm | Reply
    • george

      Up your medication dosage to something past lethal.

      April 24, 2014 at 7:22 am | Reply
      • You can't

        You can't argue with the truth though.

        April 24, 2014 at 4:04 pm |
  18. Steve

    Georgia is like a dog that won't hunt. It already has one of the highest gun homicide rates in the US. This insane legislation will definitely make them #1 in gum homicides. Not a title any sane person would aspire to unless he or she were a Georgian. Will it make Georgians safer? No it will get a lot more of them killed. If only it was confined to moronic legislators or the rubes who send them to the State House. The south has the unenviable record of having the highest homicide rates by guns and other means and seems intent to keep the title to themselves, y'all.

    April 23, 2014 at 6:12 pm | Reply
    • george

      So using your theory, hopefully not based on this untrue story because only particular people like guards can carry guns at a school, Chicago, with the strictest gun laws in the nation, should be crime free? Did you not read any real news outlets about what happened recently?

      April 24, 2014 at 7:25 am | Reply
  19. DJ Reality

    Here we go the looser we make the gun rules the greater the chance of gun violence. Just wait and see. And you know who suffers the most? Families with children that's who. But hey, does anyone truly care? No one! Because, if they did they would do something. I am not against guns I am against violence. Because it is never justified!

    April 23, 2014 at 6:10 pm | Reply
    • george

      looser is not a word. Can you cite anything other than your opinion to back this up?

      April 24, 2014 at 7:26 am | Reply
  20. Thinks4Self

    It is just another reason not to ever visit Georgia!

    April 23, 2014 at 5:49 pm | Reply
    • ME

      We didn't need anymore reasons not to visit Georgia. If anything I would need very good reason TO visit. Can anyone provide me with ONE reason to visit Georgia? "The weather is sooo nice" about....hmmm...damn....

      April 25, 2014 at 7:33 pm | Reply
  21. Eddie Ferrell

    I will tell you what the founding fathers DID foresee, before gang wars – they DID foresee people like you, who couldn't understand that the original intention of the second amendment, was to allow the citizens of this country, a way to defend themselves NOT from the British or Native Americans, but any TYRANNICAL ENTITY

    April 23, 2014 at 5:43 pm | Reply
  22. swingstater

    The 2nd amendment was passed when the US was in the colony stage to let the colonists defend themselves against the British and Native Americans before there was a national guard or even a United States.

    Everything that has come to be since then was NOT the original intention and gang and drug wars, etc. certainly could not have been foreseen back in the 1700s when it was written.

    April 23, 2014 at 5:31 pm | Reply
    • JEB

      If you think the parts of the Constitution are getting dated, the writers conveniently added a mechanism with which to amend the document, including the repeal of amendments the nation has grown tired of.

      This mechanism does not consist of whining, so you can cease that.

      April 23, 2014 at 6:17 pm | Reply
    • Know_Your_Subject

      A history lesson for swingstater:

      The former British colonies, acting as sovereign states, ratified the Articles of Confederation in 1781.
      The sovereign states ratified the Constitution and formed the United States of America in 1789.
      The first ten amendments to the Constitution were ratified in 1791.

      April 23, 2014 at 11:52 pm | Reply
  23. swingstater

    The 2nd amendment was passed when the US was in the colony stage to let the colonists defend themselves against the British and Native Americans before there was a national guard or even a United States.

    Everything that has come to be since then was NOT the original intention and gang and drug wars, etc. certainly could not have been foreseen.

    April 23, 2014 at 5:29 pm | Reply
    • AR

      Actually, the 2nd amendment was passed so Americans could defend themselves from anyone including their own government, if necessary. Read the Federalist papers.

      April 23, 2014 at 5:47 pm | Reply
      • kurt

        The Constitution (which is law, as opposed to the Declaration of Independence or the Federalist papers which are not), says that taking up arms against your own government is treason and is punishable by death. I believe it is the only criminal offense with a stated punishment in the Constitution (I could be forgetting one though).

        And while Madison did point out in the Federalist 46 that an armed populace could overthrow a tyrannical government, he also added the caveat that they would be acting on the behalf of their STATE with the STATE government ordering the militia's actions. What's interesting is the theory was actually put to the test years later when state governments tried to do that exact thing.

        We got an answer from that. It did not go the way Madison thought it would... because the OTHER states aligned with the federal force. And that's really the long and short of it... should the majority vote a certain way (such as electing Lincoln) the minority really can't take up arms and force their will or independence without the majority acquiescing. Because the thing about being the majority in an armed citizenry is that the majority... has more arms.

        April 23, 2014 at 6:56 pm |

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