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Reloaded: It's OK to be cool with gay people
Legal in 17 states: Where do you stand? S.E. Cupp discusses the fast moving issue of federal protections for gay rights.
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CUPP: It’s okay to be cool with gay people. Now the new battleground is going to be over whether we need federal protections against discrimination toward gays.
That’s going to be tricky for conservatives because we rightly are skeptical of these big, unwieldy, federal, bureaucratic laws that are non-solutions to very real problems.
If you look at Lilly Ledbetter, the Violence against Women Act, Paycheck Fairness, these are all big, bureaucratic messes that really just line the pockets of trial lawyers. They don’t solve real problems.
So, Republicans are going to rightly criticize any of those federal protections but I hope we don’t do it from an anti-gay place. I hope we do it from a place of equality, justice, and civil liberties.
That will put us in a really good position on an issue that’s moving very, very quickly.
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No I'm bored because you can't defend your position. You keep repeating the same drivel as if saying it over and over makes it so. I was born this way too. You consider it a behavior only and I don't because I know how it feels to be born gay and you don't. We have different opinions and that is ok. The difference is that I don't have a problem with you or your lifestyle unless you start infringing on mine. It's simple really, you continue looking for ways to practice discrimination. And I keep looking for ways to make narrow-minded people understand that not everyone is born identifying in the same way.
" The difference is that I don't have a problem with you or your lifestyle unless you start infringing on mine."
EXACTLY, THATS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN SAYING! DUH!
From medwiki
"Natural and legal rights are two types of rights. Legal rights are those bestowed onto a person by a given legal system. Natural rights are those (NOT CONTINGENT) upon the laws, customs, or beliefs of any particular culture or government, and therefore (UNIVERSAL and INALIENABLE)."
Encyclopedia Britannica law of nature
"a stated regularity in the relations or order of phenomena in the (WORLD) that holds, under a stipulated set of conditions, either universally or in a stated proportion of instances"
Duh...? Sorry dude...you haven't said anything remotely close to tolerance.
Tracy Duh...? Sorry dude...you haven't said anything remotely close to proving you were "born this way".
Wasn't trying to prove it. Since there is no medical proof yet either way, I'm not putting any effort into that. I'm trying to get people to understand that just because people are different, whether racial, religious, orientation, or in any other way, it doesn't have to be an antagonistic or hate filled interaction. But you seem to want every correspondence to be an attempt to one-up the other. You have not achieved that, nor have you demonstrated any tolerance, or a willingness to even try an attempt at understanding. I'm tired of a useless exchange with someone who has no willingness to accept a very real segment of society. Have a good life. I wish you well.
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Tracy, I do not accept this guilt trip you attempted to place on me! You do not know me nor I you but if we were to meet I would be as cordial to you as any other person. "it doesn't have to be an antagonistic or hate filled interaction.", so why all the name calling from you? I simply presented my point and belief in the laws of nature. I understand you can not present an argument to your point but to say I must accept it it without question is were we have our problem!
And you don't know me. You don't get to tell someone that their entire existence is against the laws of nature and call yourself cordial. You're arrogant and you spent a lot of time trying to prove superiority. And you didn't prove anything other than the fact that you don't have an open mind. You act like your belief is the only thing possible.
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And you are the one with the behavior problem not I. Being cordial I can easily do. You don't get to tell tell someone that the law of nature is wrong. You are arrogant and spend a lot of time trying to prove superiority. The law of nature proves its self. You act like your belief is the only thing possible.
Wrong again counting down. The law of the land is defined by the US Constitution and it reads that all people are created equal. You don't get to impose your narrow view of morality on me or anyone else. I'm going to agree with Kurt here. You're a bigot, and a vicious one at that. You can't even discuss a topic reasonably without spewing hatred.
Wrong again Tracy, the Constitution does not guarantee anyone the right to do as they please, (behavior). It does afford protection under the law. The federal government of liberals now override state and individual rights. I have as much right to my opinion as you!
"bigot" Collins World English Dictionary bigot (ˈbɪɡət)
— n a person who is intolerant of any ideas other than his or her own, esp on religion, POLITICS, or race!
That includes you, Oh holier than thou!
You just gave a definition for yourself, bigot. You can define homosexuality as a behavior all day long and it doesn't make it true. When did you make the "decision" to be heterosexual? Was it ever a decision or are you simply hetero? It's the same with homosexuals, they didn't make a decision to just BE homosexual. It just is.
Admit it, you're a homophobe. And you just keep looking for ways to discriminate. Move on Counting down. You bore me.
Okay, you're bored because you can't defend your behavior and only call me names so I will leave you with this:
Medical Dictionary
behavior be·hav·ior (bĭ-hāv'yər) n.
The actions or reactions of persons or things in response to external or internal stimuli.
The manner in which one behaves.
BTW, I was always this way because of the law of nature!
OK.... But is it alright to be Not cool with Gay people? Or will I be crucified for it!
Kurt – you're awesome! You obviously have a lot of patience to keep trying to explain the application of the 14th amendment to bigoted people who have no rational argument other than their own personal religion.
Tracy and Kurt, does the 14th amendment and its provisions under section 1 apply to all forms of sexual behaviors, practices, or any interpretation thereof or only to the gay and lesbian interpretation?
Odd question... The 14th Amendment doesn't explicitly address sexual behaviors but it does provide equal protection of the law to all persons.
Tracy
Odd question... The 14th Amendment doesn't explicitly address sexual behaviors but it does provide equal protection of the law to all persons.
Not at all an odd question because you don't know how to answer.
Does the 14th amendment allow anyone to do anything they wish?
Does the 14th amendment protect my belief that marriage is solely for the union of male/female?
Does the 14th and protect the individuals belief of male/female union and the refusal of service?
It is an odd question because you clearly know that the 14th amendment provides for equal protection for ALL. So yes it allows you to believe anything you want. It just doesn't allow you to use your beliefs to discriminate against gay people.
Gay people just want protection from homophobes such as yourself. Gays are entitled to their beliefs just as you are. They should be able to work, marry and have families just like anyone else without persecution from small minded people. And before you go off on another narrow minded diatribe re: families, there are thousands upon thousands of gays with families and they are more dedicated to their children than many heterosexual couples I know. Since there is no risk of accidental unwanted pregnancies, gays go to great lengths to have or adopt children that they so desperately want.
What I don't get is why you feel threatened by gays? Why do you feel they should be treated less than equal? Are they not human beings deserving of equal rights? Are you worried that they will raise smarter children; have far more successful marriages with a much lower divorce rate than the current 50%? The gays that I know have a deep spiritual relationship with God and actually behave Christ-like. They give of their time and money rather than acting sanctimonious and spewing hate filled nonsense like you. The tide is turning.. Gays WILL get equal rights in spite of bigots like yourself.
I will pose this question to you that I did to Anthony.
IS THERE ANY FORM OF SEXUAL BEHAVIOR THAT YOU DEEM UNACCEPTABLE,?
YES OR NO?
To me any form other than the natural union of male/female is unacceptable. Until you can show a genetic marker for a behavior then your life style should be against the law. You attack religion because you can't justify your action but every known organized society recognize the male/female union as the natural or of life, with or without religion.
I don't concern myself with any sexual behavior that occurs between two consenting adult humans. Any behavior that is not consenting, or that occurs with minors, and any creature not of the human species is unacceptable. Anything else doesn't affect me, you, or society in any way.
Tracy
Thank you for making my point. A behavior is not a genetic patrimony and should never trump religious freedom. Unfortunately, that has been lost in the federal courts and what you chose not to concern yourself with may someday affect something you take for granted!
I could care less what you do behind closed doors but you demand I except only same sex behaviors without reservation as a right and dismiss all other sexual behaviors as irrelevant. I accept the male/female union as the only law of God and nature.
Once again we have someone cherry-picking "God's Law" in order to express their own dislikes. Tell me what is the going price for selling your children into slavery? It's ok to stone someone to death for committing adultery..? If you accept any of God's law as infallible and not subject to interpretation, you must accept it all. And we all know there are many prohibitions in the Bible that fundamentalists would like to overlook because it doesn't serve their agenda. Of course you are entitled to your own opinion, however one cannot deny that the passages in the bible were written by man, allegedly inspired by God. In every writing, man interjects his own interpretation and perspective.
I never implied at all that you had to accept same sex behaviors without reservation and dismiss all other sexual behaviors as irrelevant. You were born heterosexual and that is how you see and feel the sexual act, and there is nothing wrong with that. Some people are born homosexual and that is how they see and feel the sexual act, and there is nothing wrong with that either If we are to believe that God is infallible then God didn't make a mistake when he created homosexuals or heterosexuals. If we believe that he is fallible then the entire bible has to be dismissed and read simply as a great collection of writings.
Last but not least, being homosexual isn't just about sex. It's more about who you love. And homosexuals deserve an opportunity to the same rights as heterosexuals when it comes to love and marriage. Some people just get hung up on the sex part and don't even consider love. I'm sure you won't agree with me on that, and that's ok. You are who you are and that is heterosexual. I don't expect you to know what it feels like to be born homosexual. But I do expect you to recognize homosexuals as human beings with God-given rights, and the constitutionally protected right to pursue happiness.
It is clear that we will never share the same views and that's ok. I have enjoyed the debate. I wish you well Countingdown. May God bless you.
Tracy
"Tell me what is the going price for selling your children into slavery? It's ok to stone someone to death for committing adultery.."
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Sad, just so sad! What a wonderful example you are to prove our point! Hate goes both ways and since you can't defend your position you resort to this BEHAVIOR.
I on the other hand have provided you with a defense in my favor.
1. The natural law of nature for the male / female union.
2. The natural order of life being the male / female union, otherwise how would you exist.
3. The natural union of male / female as recognized by ALL religions.
4. Anything other than the union of male/female is a behavior and not a right; TO WHICH YOU AGREE!
WHERE IS YOUR GENETIC ARGUMENT THAT COUNTERS MY DEFENSE!
Tracy
BTW, I love my wife, I love my children, I love my siblings, I loved my parents, I love my friends, I can love without going against the laws of God and nature. I guess with your brand of hate you will post some demented comment only exposing the weakness in your defense.
Counting down: Not sure what prompted your post, but it's a little uncalled for. I have no hate for you or anyone else. I dislike the manner in which fundamentalist try to insist that gays are not entitled to equal rights. I dislike the cherry picking of religious verses to suit their discrimination. I dislike that they don't feel that gays and religion can coexist.
I never once doubted your love for your family but you felt the need to post it, so good for you. I'm glad you have a loving relationship with you loved ones. That all gays ever wanted too. That's something everyone should be able to have, don't you think..? Take care.
Ah...I just saw your previous post...I had missed it. I actually got bored with your ranting really.
You don't seem to be able to bring yourself to even consider that gays are just simply born that way. You are correct, I can't prove it. But neither can you without distorting biblical references. Let me ask you this? You seem to think that it's a choice...and that gays are just gay because they want to be. You seem to think they can just turn heterosexual because you want them to. How would you respond if someone told you to just ...be gay? It would feel unnatural for you I'm sure because you are heterosexual. Well that's how gays feel when you call it just a sexual behavior. It's not and it never will be. It's about who they are and who they love. They have the same right to love as you do.
Having said that I will say again, if you take any part of the bible as infallible and not writings regarding conditions and behaviors of that time and era, then you must accept it all. So, if you insist that gays are un-natural and want to quote the bible, then you must accept the ridiculous laws that are written in chapters such as Leviticus. Cherry picking to suit your purpose just doesn't cut it.
Once again, it's clear that we will not agree on the position, and again, that's OK.
Tracy
" You don't seem to be able to bring yourself to even consider that gays are just simply born that way. You are correct, I can't prove it. But neither can you without distorting biblical references."
Damn right, I am correct, and I didn't use even use one biblical reference I used the law of nature. No matter how much you scream " I was born this way ", it doesn't make it true or right and certainly doesn't warrant invading the sanctity Of marriage or religious freedom.
Tracy
Counting down: Not sure what prompted your post, but it's a little uncalled for.
And this is what you deem acceptable posting, this kind of hate is what we face from your side constantly.
"Tell me what is the going price for selling your children into slavery? It's ok to stone someone to death for committing adultery.."
"Well that's how gays feel when you call it just a sexual behavior. It's not and it never will be. It's about who they are and who they love. They have the same right to love as you do."
Until you can prove otherwise this is an untrue statement.
Equal rights for everyone including polygamists. Otherwise it's just another example of big otry.
THIS IS VERY SIMPLE, STOP DENYING HOMOSEXUALS THEIR INHERENT NATURAL RIGHTS AND THERE WILL BE NO NEED TO CREATE A SPECIAL CLASS OF CITIZENSHIP FOR HOMOSEXUALS. JUST LIKE AFRICAN AMERICANS, IF THE UNITED STATES WOULD HAVE RECOGNIZED THEIR INHERENT NATURAL RIGHTS, THERE WOULD HAVE NO NEED FOR ALL THE LEGISLATION PASSED THAT FAVORED AND PROTECTED THEM. BUT INSTEAD THE USA PASSED JIM CROW LAWS, AND GRANDFATHER CLAUSE LAWS, SEGREGATION LAWS, JUST LIKE THEY PASSED ANTI-GAY MARRIAGE LAWS, AND THE DEFENSE OF MARRIAGE ACT. INSTEAD ADOPT AN IDEOLOGY OF LIVE AND LET LIVE AND THERE WILL BE NO NEED FOR ANY SPECIAL CLASS OF CITIZEN IN THE UNITED STATES
ANTHONY PLEASE ANSWER THIS QUESTION.
IS THERE ANY FORM OF SEXUAL BEHAVIOR THAT YOU DEEM UNACCEPTABLE, YES OR NO?
IF YES, THEN GUESS WHAT YOU HAVE JUST JOINED THE REST OF US IN CONDEMNATION OF A SEXUAL BEHAVIOR!
IF NO, THEN YOU JUST MADE YOUR SCREAM TYPING POINTLESS.
AFRICAN DESCENDANTS NOT JUST AMERICANS HAVE A GENETIC MARKER IDENTIFYING THEIR BIRTHRIGHT.
Homosexuality is an abomination to the Lord.
Repent, cease from your sin, turn away from the ways of the World. Turn to the only true God. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob(Israel), the God and Father of Yeshua(Jesus) the Christ, who was and who is. Almighty God, the Lord of Hosts, the Holy Redeemer, The First and the Last, the Most High, YHWY. Yeshua(Jesus) the Christ who was and who is, was crucified on the cross, nearly 2000 years ago, on the preparation day of the Jewish Passover, shed His Blood and died as the only atonement of sin, there is no other. He was buried and on the third day He was raised from the dead, by the power of Almighty God. As it is written. Repent, cease from sin, reject the ways of the world they are passing away, turn to God before it is too late. The Hebrew Prophets and Yeshua(Jesus) the Christ, who was and who is, prophesied of these days. Those that reject the Son, reject Him who sent Him. As it was in the days of Noah, so to it is in the days of the Son of Man. There are signs in the Heavens and the Earth. The time is near, not the Son, nor the Holy Angels know the day or the hour only the Father who is in Heaven knows, but it is nead. God has been warning Mankind, for alongtime. Repent. Accept Yeshua(Jesus) the Christ, as your Lord and your Savior before it is too late. I ask you to hear, Me. God is Salvation.
Stop Lying & Show Proof.
I just don't want to see it....
Evaluative orientation?
So if you have an investor working for a company and he makes bad choices because he uses a dart board to pick companies, you could not fire him because we need evaluative orientation diversity.
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It's coming folks.
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Liberals want chaos and failure. Why? They cannot succeed when real performers are allowed to deliver their best. Liberals can only rise to the top of mediocrity.
I think your idea of evaluative diversity is close, but the Wikipedia article about evaluative diversity cites evidence that evaluative orientations are immutable and that teams need evaluative diversity like ecosystems need biodiversity, so a team full of dart-throwers might need to fire some people to make room for some non-dart-throwers. It also suggests that liberals and conservatives are evaluative types (which explains why it is so difficult to convert people from one to the other).
Leviticus 18: And the lord spoke to Moses about sexual relationships "Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable"
A large number of the new generation do not know or worship God. They worship themselves, so whatever they feel is right is right to them. Just be thankful that you or I will judge them.
I really hate morons who pick selective sections of the bible and quote it to discriminate against others. Let's face it, there is some freaky stuff in the bible. Below are just a few examples of the ridiculous rules in the bible.
Leviticus 24:16 says: "Whoever utters the name of the Lord must be put to death. The whole community must stone him, whether alien or native. If he utters the name, he must be put to death."
2 KINGS 6:29 says: "So we boiled my son, and did eat him: and I said unto her on the next day, Give thy son, that we may eat him: and she hath hid her son."
Deuteronomy 28:53 says: "Then because of the dire straits to which you will be reduced when your enemy besieges you, you will eat your own children, the flesh of your sons and daughters whom the Lord has given you."
Leviticus 25:44 says: "Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves."
Deuteronomy 13:12-15, if you find that the people in the city you're visiting worship another god, you have to kill them all.
Leviticus 19:19 says: "You shall not breed together two kinds of your cattle".
Leviticus 20:10 says: "If a man cheats on his wife, or vise versa, both the man and the woman must die."
Leviticus 20:9 says: "Anyone who dishonors father or mother must be put to death. Such a person is guilty of a capital offense."
Genesis 19:8: “Look, I have two daughters, virgins both of them. Let me bring them out to you and you could do what you like with them. But do nothing to these men because they have come under the shelter of my roof.”
Deuteronomy 22:20-21 states: "But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel, then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die."
Leviticus 19:19 says: "'Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material."
Leviticus 10-11 states: "And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you."
Exodus 31:14-15 states: "Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people."
Mark 10:11-12 states: "Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery."
Leviticus 19:16 states: "Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbor
Deuteronomy 23:1 states: "No man whose testicles have been crushed or whose organ has been cut off may become a member of the Assembly of God."
Leviticus 19:27 states: "Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard."
Leviticus 19:28 states: "Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD."
Leviticus 11:7-8 reads: "And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you."
Personally I don't care what the "law of the land" was 2000 years ago. And as long as man's footprint is all over the bible, including the books omitted, I'm not convinced any of it was "inspired" by God. The reality is that societies change, people change, everything changes. We don't live in any way shape or form like people did in the biblical days.
Well, "Tracy" wherever your from, probably California or Illinois or some liberal land, I will give you a lesson on my personal feelings on my religion. Our lord, Christ, has shaped the world as he pleases. If the world was not his, the descendants of Abraham would not have lived this long against all odds. I believe that our lord shapes the world as he pleases, and to quote Genisis 1 "God created man in his image". Obviously, homosexuality is not natural and not what god intended. I am sure that science can prove that homosexuality is a mental disorder. So in my opinion, I do not believe that God intends us to use our sexuality like that, and I believe that the Bible, as you criticize, is indeed subject to question, but it is ultimately the holy word of god.
Jackson- it is your right to believe as you do, just as I have a right to my beliefs. I just don't understand why people feel threatened by gays. Just because someone is born different than you, you want to label them mentally I'll??? What difference does it make to you who anyone else (besides your wife) sleeps with?
By your own words, if God shaped the world as he pleased, then he certainly shaped gay people.
Remember we are still human beings and had had been on this planet over thousands of years ago of humanity. We First became a human as brother and sister before grew out to millions then billions. We should not discriminate or hate against each other. We show respect. By the way, I was raised with gay kids with no problem in a private school. We had FUN in childhood. BEST!
"it will line the pockets of lawyers" is the most pointless objection to a law ever.
Conservatives argued that if we redefined marriage from being gender-based to being desire-based...then the basis for saying what is and is not a marriage would be destroyed...meaining marriage would cease to be a meaningful social unit and any combination of any number of any gender could demand to be called a marriage.
Seems a "Throuple" – three lesbians – are now "married" in MA and expecting "their" first child. Great.
Well...I guess we all owe those conservatives an apology. Seems the slippery slope was steeper and more slippery than even THEY dared to believe. Who would have guessed who quickly they would be proven right?
what apologies? don't use a single situation to preach prejudice against a community as a whole. we are all equal under the law. so live and let live.
Conservatives argued that if we redefined marriage from being gender-based to being desire-based...then the basis for saying what is and is not a marriage would be destroyed...meaining marriage would cease to be a meaningful social unit and any combination of any number of any gender could demand to be called a marriage.
http://nypost(dot)com/2014/04/23/married-lesbian-threesome-expecting-first-child/?utm_source=outbrain&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=april14
Well...I guess we all owe them an apology. Seems the slippery slope was steeper and more slippery than even THEY dared to believe.
what a flare for drama
Bs, you interjected your interpretation of morality trying to embarrass both! As far as the subject is concerned. Until a definitely genetic marker is found, only the female / male union should be recognized. Anything else is sexual preference(s). Otherwise, the phrase " I was born this way " can be used in defense of ANY deviation from the sexual law of nature. When /if that marker is found, then by all means it should be a legal argument for all rights. Until then, tolerance is the only acceptance necessary, meaning you keep your view of sexual morality and the rest will keep ours.
This was to be in response to kurt, my bad.
"Until a genetic marker is found"...Homosexuality might not be genetic, but that doesn't mean it's not a biological condition. It could be something prenatal. If you are male, the more older brothers you have, the more likely you are to be gay. Now, this study has only shown a correlation for males, not females, but it is interesting to note (and please remember that correlation does not equal causation...). Perhaps something is happening in the mother that causes homosexuality in the children.
And it makes sense that it would be some kind of biological condition anyway. Homosexuality has been found in multiple species of various emotional and intellectual abilities. For instance, penguins are a monogamous species; they like to mate for life. Homosexuality has been witnessed in penguins. In fact, we have found gay penguins who are monogamous with each other. So maybe there's a little more to the "It's a choice" "argument" (not much of an argument if you have no proof).
Sex is about two consenting adults coming together. CONSENTING is the keyword there. People like to argue that if we allow gay marriage, that won't stop us from letting a person marry their pet. Now, can you find me an animal that is not human that not just CAN give legal consent (legal is another keyword) but WILL give legal consent? Because as far as I know, no animal can communicate with another human being on that level.
So please, tell me what is wrong with homosexuality (and don't bring up God and morals as our nation is NOT a Christian nation, nor is it a religious nation).
You just gave verification to counters argument! How do you then justify bestality or pedophilia, two of the most vile "biological conditions". Behavioral sexual practices that go against the natural order of human kind should not be a right to override societies belief in the male/female union.
It could be this. It could be that. But until it is definitely something it is an infringement that natural order life.
That was the biggest deflection or sidestep answer of the day. If it is not genetic then it is a choice. Period. And choices can be argued. Quit trying to blur reality with your nonsense.
Wow it is really not that difficult. If the haters want to hate they can do so in their own closet and keep it to themselves.
Easy solution: just don't be gay; f–k a woman. AND STOP LOOKING AT MY @SS.
Stop trolling. Its not cute, and neither is your ass.
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it's ok to be cool to homosexuals?
does it mean that homosexuality it's ok?
would you like SE Cupp to have a. homosexual
son?
Would you like to think that he will be penetrated
by the intestine on an act of "love"
I wish the older generations of trashy religious people would hurry up and die off! They pretend to be so perfect while throwing stones at other people.
oh, we will die off. quite possibly at your hands. you will be left. you people who are better. and why are you better? because we simply find the act disgusting but love the people. we don't want them dead. you, in fact are so hateful that you want people dead! youre so evolved. so refined. it will be refreshing for you when we are gone. 🙂
Lol the haters wanted us dead for so long it shows. Gay people don't bother to go into your bedroom so do us a favor and stay out of ours ok! It is called respect you should try it sometime. Brings you more friends than enemies.
Arthur
Lol the haters wanted us dead for so long it shows. Gay people don't bother to go into your bedroom so do us a favor and stay out of ours ok! It is called respect you should try it sometime. Brings you more friends than enemies.
May 5, 2014 at 1:16 am |
So said the person who wishes all old religious people were dead! Its called guess what? Answer: hate!
Talking about trashy! Did it hurt your arm to throw a stone at all the older religious people?
If you are lucky someday you will be one of the older generation, and you like many nonreligious wimps in their last breath will cry out FORGIVE ME LORD, that is IF you get the chance, because you will know eternity is coming.
You are the trashy one southerngent. You are trying to associate beastiality and pedophilia with being gay. NOT RELATED! Your fallcy of appealing to emotions serves no purpose other than to spread your brand of hate.
Tracy
" You are the trashy one southerngent."
** I did not call him trashy as you have called me! I simple pointed out his use of hate as I did you!
You are trying to associate beastiality and pedophilia with being gay. NOT RELATED!"
**Prove it ! ! ! ! and I will be an advocate for your cause; otherwise, I will be an advocate for the law of nature!
" Your fallcy of appealing to emotions serves no purpose other than to spread your brand of hate."
**Your not immune from practicing hate from your postings.
SG So let me get this right...you want to make bizarre assertions with no basis in fact, and then tell me to prove your religious theory isn't so. I think not. And I want no part of your advocacy. I don't like associating with religious extremists.
And you are right about one thing...I really hate it when people pick and choose whatever parts of the bible they think will make their case, for the sole purpose of spreading hate-filled accusations about a group of people in an attempt to justify discrimination. If you believe in any of the bible, you must believe in all of it. I suppose you would sell your daughter into slavery, or kill anyone that wears a cotton polyester blend material, or maybe you'd like to kill your neighbor for having a BBQ because the smell of his meat cooking offends you.
I'm offended that you call yourself religious because your "brand of religion" is certainly not based in the words or actions of Jesus Christ. Christ didn't judge others and specifically instructed others not to judge either.
Tracy
SG So let me get this right...you want to make bizarre assertions with no basis in fact, and then tell me to prove your religious theory isn't so.
**You present a fact I only asked for proof!
I think not. And I want no part of your advocacy.
**You can't prove it so this is how you defend your behavior!
I don't like associating with religious extremists.
**So said the extremists full of hate!
And you are right about one thing...Ireally hate it when people pick and choose whatever parts of the bible they think will make their case, for the sole purpose of spreading hate-filled accusations about a group of people in an attempt to justify discrimination.
**You are the one presenting hate filled rhetoric! I have not in any post on this article quoted the Bible. Everything I presented is based on the law of nature as being the union of male/female. Present an absolute medical link to the contrary.
If you believe in any of the bible, you must believe in all of it. I suppose you would sell your daughter into slavery, or kill anyone that wears a cotton polyester blend material, or maybe you'd like to kill your neighbor for having aBBQ because the smell of his meat cooking offends you.
**This sick crap is exactly a case in point to the hate you spew! Hope you are proud of yourself! This is what anyone who disagrees with this life style is confronted with all the time. You can't provide any genetic reason to back up claims of "I was born this way", so you attack any and all that threatens your sexual behavior. It works on the liberal court but the more you slap religion ( not only Christian ) in the face the harder it becomes to turn the other cheek.
I'm offended that you call yourself religious because your "brand of religion" is certainly not based in the words or actions of Jesus Christ. Christ didn't judge others and specifically instructed others not to judge either.
**Where in my post did I say I was religious? How dare you lecture me as to what Jesus would say and do then post such sick crap! Religion provides a moral compass for society and your compass is broken.
Wow, someone needs to look in a mirror. Hypocrite.
To be a hypocrite I would have to provide conflicting statements showing I believed one thing and said another which I did not. If you don't like what I wrote say so. Bashing older people and wish they would die off is stupid, You don't like religion because it aligns itself with the laws of nature that's your problem. Don't like religious people that's your problem. Don't like religion period that's your problem. Don't hide behind one liners.
I think I replied too fast not realizing you were replying to Arthur! My apologies. This comment style is difficult to keep up with sometimes. If you want to bash me I would understand. Again, I apologize for my mistake.
well said! these people throw stones while their roof is made of glass.
My ex had a heart attack no thanks to the ones that where out to destroy our relationship. He is gone now and there is nothing more they can do to him now. I am in another state now no thanks to what I was forced to face in Oklahoma. That is why I am so mad we did not bother the haters but they knocked down our door to find what ever hateful thing they could do. From theft to harassment because it is legal to treat gays that way in Oklahoma.
It's not about them feeling oppressed, its about money as usual.
are you gay to know how the gays feel about the oppression?
I am so sick of effeminate men and the whole gay lesbian bulls#!& being crammed down our throats by way of the media, I am sick of "fashion" that look like thrift store rejects, I can always spot clothes designed by gay men, they usually clash in color, pattern, and texture. I am also sick of watching lesbians have sex on tv. I know you guys like it but for me it's like watching gay porn. In short it's not ok.
You truly sound like an ignorant moron. We gay people have heterosexism shoved in our faces every day of our lives. Our have equal rights as you straights does not take anything away from you; you lose nothing if gays are protected against discrimination. Perhaps you should educate yourself before your dysfunctional brain explodes.
how is discrimination bad again? im losing track. it still sounds like freedom to me. if a homosexual "discriminates" against a heterosexual is it less of a crime? why don't you educate me?
Where did you see lesbians having sex on TV?
Read a fascinating argument on why people are gay:: http://lotenna.wordpress.com/2014/04/08/homosexuality-nature-vs-nurture/
I love how the author ends with: "I hope we do it from a place of equality, justice, and civil liberties." Do you not understand that gay people feel they are cheated on all that? For many of us, marriage is immaterial. But the principle of freedom is everything. I can be fired from my job for being gay. If I am beaten and killed for my sexuality, it isn't a hate crime. The constitution of my own state was amended to TAKE a right away from thousands of its citizens. We can't even be treated as a family by the government. And through all of that, most of us are law-abiding, decent, hardworking people. I don't even think we want to be treated as a minority–all we want is the same chance as straight people. That's what is equal, just and embodies freedom.
yeah, and if I am beaten and killed because I have a big nose, that's not a hate crime either. but I was born this way. why does a man who beats a homosexual get convicted of a federal offense while if I get beaten for having a big nose, no one seems to consider that out of the ordinary?
The person beating you doesn't hate the very essence of who you are, just your large nose as you put it. You can't even compare the two on the same level. If a gay man beat you up for being straight, then that's a hate crime and vice versa. If he beat you up for being Jewish (not for a having a big nose), then that's a hate crime. Hate =/= rights, just as Hate Speech is not protected under the First Amendment, hate crimes are not protected in this country. Next time, at least try to compare two seemingly comparable analogies.
What a weird comparison... participate reasonably please.
I couldn't care less who I am "cool" with or not. You either accept me for who I am, or you don't. What difference does it make if you're gay or not? I would be willing to pay to get the subject out of the media and move on.
See http://englishmanif.blogspot.com/2014/04/la-joie-de-vivre-31-voices-of-children.html for "Voices of the chidden of same-sex couples, a roll call." Children raised by same sex couples are beginning to tell their stories, and the stories aren't that good.
Traditional marriage has been attacked by progressives for years. The combination of easy divorce, abortion on demand and same sex marriage has produced a marriage institution bent on hedonism and adult self-fulfillment. Marriage, especially with the addition of same sex marriage, is no longer about the future. It's about me, me, me, my rights, my self-fulfillment.
This too shall pass. We cannot rewrite natural law.
"Traditional marriage has been attacked by progressives for years. The combination of easy divorce, abortion on demand and same sex marriage has produced a marriage institution bent on hedonism and adult self-fulfillment. Marriage, especially with the addition of same sex marriage, is no longer about the future. It's about me, me, me, my rights, my self-fulfillment."
Yes, because marriage should be painful, people should have to stay married to abusive partners and gay people should be forced to have sex without getting married first?
Look... I get it. YOu don't approve of homosexual behavior. But marriage isn't about having gay sex. It's about getting legal spousal rights for the person you've chosen to spend your life with. Sodomy is actually legal in the US (for women with men, men with men and women with women). Having gay marriage outlawed doesn't change the fact that gay sex will be happening. It doesn't change the fact that either partner in a gay couple could adopt as a single person. None of the behaviors you dislike are in any way prevented by barring gay marriage.
What it comes down to is that you want to PUNISH these people. And that's not your place. Even the bible says it's not your place to judge... leave it up to god.
I raised my 3 kids as a divorced single gay man. Single parenting is difficult, much more than 2 parents. Being gay made no difference, just ask my kids. Who are not kids anymore. All in their 30's and doing fine. Currently helping my younger partner with an adopted 4 month old baby. The mother was too drugged out to raise her. I am also a grandfather. My daughter has my 2 yr old granddaughter
So we gays do have kids and raise kids and we do it as well as anybody.
marriage now, as far as government is concerned, is a total farce and actually a scam. I know people who wont get married because it is more costly for them in taxes and they will lose welfare benefits. Marriage before God is between a man and a woman-STILL. if I had it to do over again. my vows would be coming from a different place. I would remain unmarried as far as the government is concerned. it now seems to me to be none of their business what vows I make before God. Government now deserves only contempt. government is inadequate, irresponsible, self-serving, meddlesome, belligerent and ignorant.
Discrimination is WRONG, for any reason. America already made the mistake of segregating who would be protected by the Constitution, and who was exempt. This resulted in the Civil War.
You are welcome to deny others their rights, using whatever justification strikes your fancy. However, you should know that America will pay a price for your arrogance. No getting around this one.
For the wages of Sin is Death, and failing to love those who with we disagree is Sin. Only One has the right to judge, and unless you are the reincarnation of Christ; it is not you.
Children have a right to a mother and a father. See http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/04/on_gay_adoption_se_cupp_is_out_to_lunch.html
Yes. So all children in single parent households should be taken by the state... right? That seems to be what you're arguing for.
It's OK to be cool with gay people... God is...
The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
For although they knew God, they neither glorified Him as God nor gave thanks to Him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.
Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, He gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
Romans 1:18-32
Very next line:
"Therefore you have no excuse, everyone of you who passes judgment, for in that which you judge another, you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things."
In other words... stop going after others for those things and be cool with them. Let god handle it.
Make sure you keep taking your pills. Your 72-virgins are waiting for you when you move along.
Christians have a lot more to look forward to than muslims. we don't get the "virgins" part. what do the "virgins" get anyway? no, Christians don't look forward to marriage or sex in heaven. genderless and no need for gender at all. gender is God's plan for mankind for now. it will not always be this way. if you blow the gender part here, now. make the most of it because this is the best you will have it for all eternity.
I would not waste my time bashing people over the head with bible verses. Just love people and hopefully they will come willingly.
Kurt, your comment is straw manning what I actually belived.
You also present a false dichotomy in the form of "1 and 2"; I believe neither of those 2 things.
Freedom is a two way street. Google libertarianism and the non-agression principle.
In what way was I misrepresenting the original topic (which is what a straw man is)?
Cupp stated that conservatives are okay arguing against "federal protections against discrimination towards gay people" as long as they are arguing about the "unwieldy federal laws governing those protections" due to the fact it's a government program rather then because the person being protected is gay.
If you feel that's an unfair representation of what she stated in the clip, explain where I'm wrong.
The problem is those are the SAME LAWS that govern discrimination based on other protected classes... the 14th amendment (which established equal protection under the law) and the civil rights act of 1964 (which established the first protected classes and the circumstances in which those protections were in effect). Nearly every law passed since then has simply added protected classes to the civil rights act. That's what the americans with disabilities act did... it added health conditions as a protected class. The court decisions that have thrown out Gay marriage bans have all been based on the 14th amendment... saying that gay people deserve equal protection under the law and banning their ability to get the same legal marriage protections due to their orientation is at odds with the 14th.
So... the "big federal programs" Cupp is talking about come down to the 14th amendment and the Civil Rights Act. The question is... (as I stated in the other post)... does sexual orientation deserve protection under those two EXISTING laws (which many believe have been effective in at least somewhat reducing discrimination based on race, gender, age, disability and the like).
The only logically valid reasons to think they shouldn't get those protections are what I posted... either they're not needed (because sexual orientation isn't a cause of discrimination in your eyes) or they don't deserve the protection (possibly because you view the behavior as so abhorrent it shouldn't be protected).
The former shows a certain disconnect from reality. The later shows blatant discrimination. Neither works for the GOP in a political sense.
I do agree it's okay for the GOP to be cool with gay people. But part of being cool with gay people is agreeing they should be free of persecution and discrimination because they are gay... and deserve the same legal protections as other protected classes (which currently include race, color, religion, national origin, age, sex, pregnancy, citizenship, familial status, disability, veteran status and genetic information). Our laws ALLOW discrimination on anything outside of those classes. It's okay for me to not serve those who don't wear shirts or shoes. "Barefoot" is not a protected class. But I can't refuse to serve you because you're a vet.
Saying it's okay to not serve you because you are gay is not "being cool with gay people".
TALK ABOUT HITTING THE NAIL ON THE HEAD, WAY TO GO KURT!!!!!!!!
Did Michelle Bachman's husband ever "Pray his gay away?"
Did you?
No, I'm not gay.
The GOP Prayer/Mantra/Solution: Dear God...With your loving kindness, help us to turn all the Old, Sick, Poor, Non-white, Non-christian, Female, and Gay people into slaves. Then, with your guidance and compassion, we will whip them until they are Young, Healthy, Rich, White, Christian, Male, and Straight. Or until they are dead. God...Grant us the knowledge to then turn them into Soylent Green to feed the military during the next "unfunded/off-the-books" war. God...Give us the strength during our speeches to repeatedly yell........TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH!!!..........and........GET RID OF SS AND MEDICARE!!!
In your name we prey (purposely misspelled, or is it?)........Amen
Why are you so full of hate?
Spreading the GOP mantra isn't "hate". It's what the GOP call "love". Haven't you read the Ryan Budget plan to see how much "love" the GOP intend to give the Old, Sick, and Poor people? /sarcasim off
" we will whip them until they are Young, Healthy, Rich, White, Christian, Male, and Straight."
Ha, ha, ha. Still copy/pasting huh! Ha, ha, ha, wish they COULD make me YOUNG, HEALTHY, RICH. ALREADY, WHITE, CHRISTIAN, MALE AND STRAIGHT
You voted for Palin didn't you. Read the Ryan Budget to see how the GOP feel about the Old, Sick, and Poor people.
"You voted for Palin didn't you
You voted for Palin didn't you. Read the Ryan Budget to see how the GOP feel about the Old, Sick, and Poor people."
Ha, ha, ha! I voted for John McCain and proud of it.
You voted for Obama didn't you! Read about, Assault on individual freedom, assault on religious freedom, share the wealth, lie to the American people, turning America into a world laughing stock, spying on our own, blocking conservative organizations, NSA, IRS, Benghazi, destruction of the world best health care system, division with hate filled rhetoric, just to name a few!
Where are your other copy/paste junk? Ha, ha, ha,
" The Profile Of The Typical Republican Vote"
" The GOP Solution"
Just keep spreading the GOP "Love" for the Old, Sick, and Poor people. The GOP "Love" your ignorance too. One day you will be Old, Sick, and you're probably already Poor.
Spread the GOP"Love"
Just keep spreading the GOP "Love" for the Old, Sick, and Poor people. The GOP "Love" your ignorance too. One day you will be Old, Sick, and you're probably already Poor
Ha, ha, ha, There is no doubt you will continue spreading hate ha, ha, with your unintelligent copy/pasting rants! Ha, ha!
Cupp's argument is a bit silly.
Anti discrimination laws exist to protect people from getting discriminated against based on a "protected class". What Cupp is saying is adding a protected class for sexual orientation is bad.
The problem is those protected classes for other criteria (race, religion, gender, age, etc) have been EXTREMELY good at eliminating policy based discrimination in those areas. We don't need to have sit-ins at Woolworths anymore because they won't serve black people. Why? Because of anti-discrimination laws.
When you oppose adding sexual orientation to that list, you're stating that:
1. You don't believe there is any discrimination toward homosexuals (which most would believe is a stupid statement)
or
2. They don't deserve to be protected from that discrimination in the same way the elderly or females are protected.
And that DOES come from an anti-gay place. You are saying that people should be allowed to say their reason for not hiring someone is "Well... they're gay.". Or their reason for not offering their spouse health insurance can be... "Well... it's a gay marriage, so I'm not insuring them."
It's either okay to discriminate on a class or not. It's okay to discriminate based on job performance. It's not okay to discriminate based on health or gender or race. You as a party need to decide where sexual orientation fits on that... and if you do say it's okay then frankly you're a bigotted party.
See http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/not-all-children-raised-by-gay-parents-support-gay-marriage-i-should-know-i/ Also see http://englishmanif.blogspot.com/2014/04/la-joie-de-vivre-31-voices-of-children.html These are the voices of people who have been raised by either lesbians or homosexuals and the results reveal a lot of pain in the children.
We are conducting an unprecedented experiment on children. We will be hearing more from them as the years pass.
Based on the arguments in the first story, you could make the same case against single parents as you do against gay parents.
So... based on that we should take children away from any single parent... because they don't have an "in home" role model for how the opposite sex acts?
That's the problem when people try using logical explanations to justify discrimination. Most of the time when you analyze their argument and ask them about other situations where their argumen would also apply... they refuse to apply the logic consistently.
People who think that those of religious conviction should have the ability to not provide coverage for birth control because of their religion.... seem to not support the right of a Christian Scientist to not provide coverage for doctors visits because THAT is against their religious convictions. Why? Because it isn't about their religious freedoms, it's about wanting to push their personal beliefs and morals on others. The same goes for this... it's not about the children. You just want to push your morals onto others.
You need to stop doing that. You may think you have "correct" morals, but many of us may think your morals stink. Keep them to yourself.
kurt
YOUR STATEMENT TO BRENDA:
" You need to stop doing that. You may think you have "correct" morals, but many of us may think your morals stink. Keep them to yourself."
A SELF-RIGHTEOUS STATEMENT to which MOST would disagree! Brenda has as much a right to her opinion as you!
YOUR REPLY TO " Free Man in the Republic of Texas":
" "Therefore you have no excuse, everyone of you who passes judgment, for in that which you judge another, you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things."
In other words... stop going after others for those things and be cool with them. Let god handle it."
I believ everyone should try to keep their morals to themself... including me.
I try to keep my arguments in forums such as these based on laws and facts. I have NO problem with anyone having whatever set of morals make them feel good. But I do have a problem with others passing laws that push their morals on me... even if I happen to agree with them.
In this case I pointed out that if you logically follow the path of the arguments being made, the conclusions are ones they would generally not agree with. Most people who agree religious freedoms mean that Christians shouldn't have to provide insurance for abortions would NOT be okay with Christian Scientists not providing insurance that covers doctors.
When the logical argument falls apart... then you're arguing a moral. It's not about religious freedom for all (a part of our legal system to be respected) but your personal religion having freedoms that others should not. You believe your set of morals should be imposed on others.
Now you may feel like I'm pushing a set of morals... but what I'm pushing is actually in the constitution. It's not morals... it's the law of the land. The closest thing I said that could be viewed as "pushing morals" is:
"It's either okay to discriminate on a class or not. It's okay to discriminate based on job performance. It's not okay to discriminate based on health or gender or race. You as a party need to decide where sexual orientation fits on that... and if you do say it's okay then frankly you're a bigotted party"
But based on the definition of "bigotry" I don't think that's a moral statement... it's a factual one. Someone who "treats or views other people with fear, distrust or hatred on the basis of a person's ethnicity, evaluative orientation, race, religion, national origin, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, disability, socioeconomic status, opinion, or other characteristics."
As for the second part... I'm not Christian. I was telling him what the next verse in the bible was since he saw fit to stop quoting before God told them to mind their own business.