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November 15th, 2013
11:14 AM ET

Jones defends the President and Obamacare

Van Jones defends President Obama's effort in proposing a fix for Obamacare and asks Rep. Steve Scalise if he's against women not being discriminated under the law.

Who do you agree with?

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  5. Bob Boland

    I tried to watch crossfire but Cutter and Jones butt in so much the other person or persons never get a chance to explain their views. I guess they think if the other person does not get to explain their veiws then they have won the debate. No wonder CNN's does so poorly in the cable polls..

    November 20, 2013 at 7:43 pm | Reply
  6. everestrushmore

    The whole point of Obamacare is to insure the uninsurable. The nation's elected officials voted it into law. It is a social safety net that they (and through them, their votes) decided was worth the cost. It is going to cost money to cover the formerly uninsurable. We all pay that collectively so that we are guaranteed the same safety if we end up in that formerly uninsurable place ourselves on day. Stop complaining and let's just make it work.

    November 18, 2013 at 1:43 pm | Reply
    • FG

      There is the stink of political agenda tied to Obamacare that makes it corrupt and wasteful.

      GOOD: It's ok for the federal government to set minimum standards (pre-existing coverage, minimum benefits, etc.)

      GOOD: It's ok for the federal government to break down barriers that block competitiveness (like allowing all insurers to compete for your business across state lines, so that free market trade can drop costs – NOTE: They never allowed this!)

      GOOD: It is ok for the federal government to tell the states that they need to figure out how each should best support this.

      BAD: There is no justifiable reason for the government to be in the business of selling insurance and enrolling buyers. Building and supporting a web site to handle eCommerce, creating new agencies to support the selling of insurance and the enrolling of buyers is NOT something our government should be doing. There is no justifiable reason for the government to be in this business, especially when there are so many more important things to solve.

      Obama wanted to create more government agencies that are L.U.W.D

      L = Lazy government employees
      U = Uncreative government employees
      W = Wasteful government employees
      D = Dishonorable government employees

      Now, because of Obama, Obamacare standards for, both, dishonesty and incompetence.

      November 18, 2013 at 2:59 pm | Reply
    • Colo001

      We already know this. It is failing tragically. It is a monstrosity that 330 Million Americans have very strong opinions about., This is going to be the legacy left by Obama and it is going to render his remaining time as President ineffective at best.

      November 18, 2013 at 4:32 pm | Reply
  7. REGinAZ

    What I advocate is rationality and objectivity, for people to be disciplined to think for themselves. I recommend that people check their biases, prejudices, irrational fears, hyped emotions and misplaced loyalties in order to make logical decisions in their own best interests. What that requires, besides becoming open minded and clear thinking, is to recognize that both sides have faults, both sides have their own interests, both sides need a whole lot of money just to compete and both sides really strive to sway people into supporting them ... however, one side will likely better represent someone’s own interests and the other side will surely be slanted away from those interests and that is what needs to be identified ... with all of the distracting garbage set aside.

    To fault Obama as a liar, as one example, and to ignore the obvious personality deficiencies consistent in the likes of Cruz, Palin, Paul, Cantor, Ryan, Perry, Bush, Rove, Norquist, Boehner, McConnell, on and on, all who can make Obama’s short-comings seem trivial, is not only ridiculous but also totally self-defeating. Then to miss understand the motivations of the likes of the Koch brothers, Adelson, Cheney and the many other multi-million dollar contributors with their self-serving demands, is definitely not in anyone’s best interests as a member of the majority. It really is a matter of recognizing and accepting reality, knowing that is necessary to make good decisions, decisions not controlled by emotions, which can be totally manipulated, but rather decisions controlled by rationality and objectivity. People who can be honest with themselves and say that is the thought process they follow, have my complete acceptance and support, whatever their decision, as I believe if the majority does that, they will collectively always make the right decision.

    November 18, 2013 at 12:17 pm | Reply
    • Colo001

      So Reginaz, Are we to leave it to you as to who the liars are? Should we just assume that the current administration has our interest at heart. And you left out some millionaires such as Obama, Reid, Palin, Biden, Gore, Clinton, Harman, Kerry. Over 246 people serving in the house are millionaires. You are disingenuous and clumsy with your thoughts,
      You would rather leave in the current administration smiling at us as the bend us over and give to us? Really?
      2014 cant come fast enough. Obama and crew are cornered on this one and they gave no way out

      November 18, 2013 at 1:26 pm | Reply
  8. Free Man in the Republic of Texas

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    I will pay the fine and let nature take its course.

    I can't afford the NEW $1,500 per month policy.
    I will NOT take that away from my children.

    If you like your health plan

    You can keep it......... PERIOD. GUARANTEED !!!
    No one will take it away, no matter what.
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    November 18, 2013 at 11:37 am | Reply
    • Iamnotfooled

      Well considering your insurance could refuse to treat you for a pre-existing condition you would be better off with Obamacare and 1500.00 a month. You said you would not take that away from your kids. So you would rather leave them without a father? No lifetime caps would cover you. And you could not go bankrupt. Get a loan.

      November 22, 2013 at 4:01 am | Reply
  9. California

    This is news that Van Jones defends the president?

    REALLY CNN?!?!?!!

    November 17, 2013 at 10:49 pm | Reply
  10. James

    I don't have a fog machine. I went to the store to get one but the demand is high in Texas because there are so many Republicans , I suppose. They had to back order it and with the nationwide demand they weren't sure when I would actually get it. In the meanwhile I will have to rely of facts. It looks like yours is working well at least. Would you consider selling it?

    November 17, 2013 at 9:13 pm | Reply
    • Terry

      Van Jones was fired. He was Obama's Czar, was found to be a registered communist, Obama felt the heat and fired him. Now he works for CNN. This speaks volumes about The President and this "news network"

      November 18, 2013 at 11:33 am | Reply
    • James

      I wasn't talking about Van Jones. He seems a very competent person to me and I have no reason to condemn anyone for their beliefs. His seem to be in tune with reality so I've no issue with that either. This post was a response to someone down farther in the list and I asked the CNn moderators to remove it but they didn't. So it is sort of floating here like Bush was during the Katrina crisis.

      November 18, 2013 at 4:15 pm | Reply
      • Colo001

        James Van Jones holds an ideology that is no where in step with what the USA stands for. Maybe you should read up on him before you make public statements like you just did

        November 18, 2013 at 4:58 pm |
      • James

        Once again. I'm not here to talk about the commentators but to talk about what they say. Ideas. Progress. You probably know the old witticism concerning "people who talk about people" so I won't go into that. You see, I'm not from this time or this place.

        I'm from a time when my dad was working as a frycook at a local restaurant. We had a new home in the suburbs, 2 cars in the driveway and a maid that came in on weekends to help out. Try doing that on a frycook's wages today.

        And I'm from a place called America where some things were not right and some people had the integrity to stand up and say so without having the truth mottled by right wing media - and the country listened and the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was born - and the South switched from Democratic to Republican.

        I'll stand by my words and let you stand by Glen Beck.

        November 20, 2013 at 4:08 pm |
      • Colo001

        James its not really healthy to live in the past. We all had it different when we were young. Maybe you had it better or worse. That's for you to judge. But no matter how hard you try the past is gone. Maybe you remember those times fondly but your father was supporting you so you didn't have to worry about mortgage. He paid for your clothes and food and everything else. I remember my childhood as well and there was no stress like I have today. Your not from another time your just remembering an easy time in your life.

        November 20, 2013 at 4:54 pm |
      • James

        Colo001. That is a sophmoric twist away from what I actually wrote. To contrast real wages in the past with the present is not as you contend, to live in the past. Your post is non-responsive to any issue presented, it is highly presumptuous at best and it should be deleted.

        November 20, 2013 at 8:55 pm |
      • Colo001

        Bull. I wasn't comparing wages I stand by what I said. You don't like it? I read what you wrote again and come to the same conclusion. You call it sophomoric? No.... You swoon about the past and a fry cook making a wage to afford a comfortable life Vs. today. Your looking back teary eyed . Good luck with that

        November 21, 2013 at 6:56 am |
  11. James

    So, AFTER the ACA was passed, insurances companies decided to sell some very good policies at reduced prices that would not be covered by the grandfather clause of ACA. They could take a temporary hit moneywise, but they would only have to honor them a couple of years at the most. Then they would have to cancel them. So they drop a number of higher risk patients and blame the ACA while providing republicans propaganda to dilute the effects of the law and increase their profits. So they make their money back and then some. Good idea. Now do you think the insurance companies are going to "uncancel" those policies? They have legal standing to do so. Pretty funny really. Diabolical.

    November 17, 2013 at 8:40 pm | Reply
  12. Jim37015

    Good Jones. You can be one of the rats that goes down with the ship in the eye of the US Citizens.

    November 17, 2013 at 5:55 pm | Reply
    • James

      I'm afraid it's rather disingenuous of Republicans to pretend to speak for "all Americans" when you lost 2 elections and your only control now is from gerrymandered voting districts and your repression of voting rights.

      November 17, 2013 at 9:55 pm | Reply
  13. Alex

    Van Jones sounds like he's on Obama's payroll...

    November 17, 2013 at 1:48 pm | Reply
    • California

      He was Obama's green czar.

      November 17, 2013 at 10:50 pm | Reply
  14. Bill

    America is tired of the only racist people left anymore, black liberals! Read the recent interview with Oprah. She's a complete racist and a hypocrite. She gets rich and ahead through hard work but then claims America won't let blacks get ahead. Black libs need to smarten up and fast. Blacks have done worse under Obama then any other president COMBINED in the last 50 years. Instead of spending time spouting off about the Tea Party, Republicans, Conservatives, or whoever, why don't they all just impress us by using their intelligence which they so vehemently claim is just as good as the white man's and take a good look at what's going on with their royal black president. BTW, you're not African Americans, you're Americans! You didn't immigrate from Africa, you were born here, so stop calling yourself African Americans like you are some entitled VIP! You're no better then any other American nor are you entitled to anything.

    November 17, 2013 at 1:43 pm | Reply
    • everestrushmore

      You sound really angry.

      November 18, 2013 at 1:40 pm | Reply
  15. REGinAZ

    I never said it was okay to lie.  What some choose to ignore is that the right has and continually does lie about most everything and then we need to recognizing those deficient personalities that many want to minimize, is really important because just what they want to fault Obama for is very consistent in all of them, and worse.  So lets really "cut through the bull" and recognize that the right spends a whole lot of money to constantly spread their propaganda, their lies, and it has had impact in past elections with the Tea Party in 2010, with the Swift-boat in 2004 and with the "conservative Christian" in 2000, as just some examples.   The Koch brothers, Adelson, Cheney, Rove, and others have constantly used "the money"s" resources to intimidate, coerce and control "puppet" politicians, assuring unity behind "the money's" interests and without concern or conscience for the people.  Bush-Cheney habitually lied while in office, always pursuing their private agenda to benefit "the money", their strong supporters and masters, even to falsely justifying a war, and the cost to the people, the tax payers, was horrific (still living with some of it).  

    Politicians constantly embellish, exaggerate and "puff their wares" and sometimes they get caught, reference Obama, but the Republican / Tea Party, cocky confident with the money, influence and power from their supporters, have taken it to a before unseen level and some people want to fault Obama and just ignore the abuse on the right – again swayed by the propaganda / lies. The aggressive machine to spread the deception and propaganda always swings into action, online as well as in general.

    The "moral switch that has gone off in my brain" is that when being objective and rational, when looking at everything with an open mind and unbiased logic it becomes clear that the Republican / Tea Party has literally become owned and controlled by "the money" and together they are irresponsibly and self-servingly pushing the country towards being a two-class society with the few constantly feeding their insatiable "more" (never enough) appetite and using their abundant propaganda (lies) to con the people, while the majority continues to loose.  No where in their concern is there any real interest for responsibly and honestly serving the people – proof:  the constantly growing spread between the very wealthy and everyone else; the costs of the Bush-Cheney concentration on serving only "the money"; the apparent focus on always benefitting "the money", even with the costs to everyone else; their constantly trying to sell all of this as "conservative" and somehow as a benefit; the obvious dishonesty in people like Cruz, Palin, Cantor, Perry and so on (which many just want to disregard) which tries to sell all of this stuff and always just fault the other guy ,,,   It is there to see if people want to see it, if they can break out of their blinders built with deception.

    My real disappointment is in seeing those people who condemn Obama for his error and who constantly look the other way while so many on the right constantly commit more grievous and literally self-serving infractions.  It would really be appropriate and beneficial if people could always rationally and objectively check their emotions and misplaced loyalty to see reality.  That is not forgiving Obama or approving lying, it is just putting things in perspective and seeing the real evil laid on the people.

    November 17, 2013 at 11:54 am | Reply
    • James

      Well said and true. I would like to know if there was any collusion between Republicans and insurance companies to sell those policies that they knew they would have to cancel 2 or 3 years later because they would not be covered by the ACA grandfather clause.

      November 17, 2013 at 9:03 pm | Reply
      • longfisch

        You stated in your post above that the insurance companies did this on purpose already to make the GOP look good, so why are you stating you wonder if ti happened, did you just make up your earlier post?

        Health insurance stock has outpaced the S&P 500 for growth, the market is expecting higher profits since the ACA was signed into law, this would not be the case if health insurance companies were expected to fall on hard times and become less profitable due to the ACA.

        November 17, 2013 at 10:16 pm |
      • James

        The question I asked is to what extent Repubicans colluded with insurance companies. It's obvious they issued very good inexpensive the policies after the ACA was passed. Why would they do that knowing they would have to cancel them soon? And I disagree with your premise that they can't make more money without the regulations imposed by the ACA.

        November 17, 2013 at 11:57 pm |
    • Terry

      Van Jones was Obama's Czar, was found to be a registered communist, Obama felt the heat and fired him. Now he works for CNN. This speaks volumes about The President and this "news network"

      November 18, 2013 at 11:35 am | Reply
  16. Brian

    President needs to realize the law is a mess and he has not be straight with the citizens. Help to fix it by what – giving a 1 year extension and kicking the can down the road – NO! That is a short term political fix -not a real fix – stop the spin.

    November 16, 2013 at 7:21 pm | Reply
    • James

      Pres Obama knows the insurance companies do not want to extend the policies they issued after the ACA passed. He knows it was a political gambit that has already sserved it's purpose. The law is fine and it will work well and save thousands of lives.

      November 17, 2013 at 9:20 pm | Reply
  17. templescribe

    Liberals say they fight for women's rights and say that all women should express themselves and be strong in doing so.
    Try telling that to Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachman and the women who got raped during New Yorks "Occupy Wall Street" mess. At least they had "rape tents" for them. The real war on women is being waged by Van Jones and CNN and Democrats for lying and not reporting the truth. Didn't Obama get rid of Van Jones as part of the Obama administration because like a socialist nut. If Obama get rid of you there's really something wrong with your thinking.

    November 16, 2013 at 1:18 pm | Reply
  18. FG

    BTW, here's the other important issue I forgot to add in my previous response. People like Van Jones and Stephanie Cutter want "much bigger government."

    Yes, the government should regulate and set standards, such as what the minimum coverage should be for all plans. And, yes, the government should tear down competitive walls between states, so all insurance companies can compete for your business, in order to drive prices down.

    No, the government should not be in the business of running a sales exchange, like an Amazon for insurance, that creates many unnecessary government jobs and wastes endless amounts of government waste and corruption, all at the expect of the taxpayer.

    Obamacare didn't "need" the federal Exchange, or federal navigators, or federal enrollment staff, or federal support staff. They needed to just set the constraints for proper coverage, breakdown the walls that stop competitiveness, and get out of the way. Instead, now we're stuck with the nightmare of more lazy, corrupt, and wasteful government employees (see videos of Navigators already being caught advising purchasers to lie in order to get lower rates and subsidies). This is what people like Van Jones and Stephanie Cutter stand for.

    November 15, 2013 at 7:26 pm | Reply
  19. FG

    Here's are the main differences between people like Van Jones & Stephanie Cutter versus many of the Republicans...

    Both groups really do want the same things, like coverage of preexisting conditions, no discrimination based on gender, high quality in plans, etc. However both groups have very different views of how to get to their goals.

    Obamacare, which has massive design flaws, which is now a massive failure in implementation, and which was sold based on repeated and very dishonest tactics (that are widely perceived by the majority to be lies) is something they're very willing to support and push to get the things they want. Remember, Obamacare is such a massive failure that most Democrats are abandoning the President and the polls show views of the president as being highly incompetent and dishonest.

    Republicans, and people like me, who want the same things, don't believe that the best way to get to those things is through bad designs, failed implementations, and dishonesty, which Van Jones and Stephanie Cutter are very good with, because they keep defending such things. People like Stephanie Cutter even participated in many of these dishonest practices, having knowingly, willingly, and repeatedly perpetrated the lie: "If you like your insurance, you can keep your insurance... Period!"

    Another difference, is that Van Jones and Stephanie Cutter will add to the deceit and dishonesty by participating in the game of calling their opponent(s) things like "evil," simply because they're not getting their way or the participation levels that they'd like from the opposition.

    In the end, people like Jones and Cutter support massive failure, waste, and dishonesty as a means of getting to their goals and they prove this, over and over again, by supporting these things and fighting for them. They have no concern for the waste, fraud, and deception that is used along the path to harm the public, in order to achieve their goals.

    Very simply... Many of the Republicans and I want a lot of the same things that Jones and Cutter want. Unlike Jones and Cutter, we just don't want to have to lie to, both, the people and ourselves to get there.

    November 15, 2013 at 2:01 pm | Reply
    • James

      Actually the ACA doesn't have such flaws. It's very well done and it will work fine. There was no funding in the ACA for the federal website - that was set aside for the states and when Republican states decided it is better for their people to go without insurance, since it defies logic and reason, one can easily see how it caught the President by surprise.

      I'm not convinced your generality is true. That's the polite way of saying it isn't. Republicans want to talk about healthcare reform if they have to (that is why there is no Republican plan) but Democrats actually solved the problem.

      It was honorable for Obama to accept blame for that. I don't think he should have. The data I see is insurance companies issued very good policies after the law was passed that they knew they would have to cancel in a year or two. Why did they do that? So blaming Obama for that is silly.

      I also disagree with your "analysis" of Van Jones and Stephanie Cutter. It is quite presumpuous, narrow minded and sophmoric.

      November 17, 2013 at 9:41 pm | Reply
  20. wokeupvoter

    Enough with the Democratic parties FOG MACHINE, the Affordable Care Act is nothing more than a huge tax being paid by taxpaying working Americans. Any conversations about correcting the un-fairness of this law is always met by childish accusations of bias against women, not helping the poor, not true claims of substandard current policies, and accusations of critics picking on the president. The exchange offers catastrophic insurance only NOT health care. The premiums are unaffordable for what you get and deductables make it that you will never access health insurance unless you are hit twice by the same speeding train. President Obama's nose grows every time he holds a news conference about this UN-Affordable Care Act. If the Senate does not act to fix this mess, I'm certain the voters will act come election time.

    November 15, 2013 at 1:46 pm | Reply
    • James

      I don't have a fog machine. I went to the store to get one but the demand is high in Texas because there are so many Republicans , I suppose. They had to back order it and with the nationwide demand they weren't sure when I would actually get it. In the meanwhile I will have to rely of facts. It looks like yours is working well at least. Would you consider selling it?

      November 17, 2013 at 11:59 pm | Reply

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