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October 18th, 2013
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Jones: There's something about Cruz I admire
Crossfire host Van Jones compares Sen. Ted Cruz to Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., saying Cruz needs to "own" his shutdown.
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Rep. Luke Messer argues the Obamacare individual mandate should be delayed because of website glitches.
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I find absolutely nothing to admire about him and childish behavior!
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You can use George W. Bush as the example and just remember how the Bush-Cheney administration totally catered to “the money”, completely neglecting responsibilities to the people and constantly lying to rationalize their actions, while always just using their offices and America’s resources for their private agenda. It can be denied but the reality is totally obvious in the results, in the drastic costs, some which we are still paying for today, and in the fact that “the money” always gained while the majority constantly lost. Those who can’t put their biases, prejudices, emotions and misplaced loyalties aside may want to rationalize differently but GW Bush displays a textbook sociopathic personality that is completely consistent with that definition, that exhibits a totally self-focused, egotistic mentality which is void of any conscience – one that, as described in the textbooks, can fake most anything for personal advantage, including his being a “born again Christian”. His performance in office and since clearly shows nothing done for other than his own benefit, always just being the “spoiled little boy”; he even bragged that he would pass Bill Clinton and his father in wealth accumulated from kickbacks (assuming that all he did for “the money” would come back to him).
Now that personality is not exclusive to Bush and we see the same cocky, arrogant and self-serving concentration in Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, Eric Cantor, Paul Ryan, Michelle Bachmann, Rick Perry, Sarah Palin, Karl Rove, Dick Cheney and actually many others. Why predominantly from the far right? I’m sure that their arrogant confidence in “the money’s” power, influence and finances, coupled with their return total commitment to be “puppets” for the support provided, not only provides them some cockiness but that also the selection process (remember Grover Norquist’s and others’ efforts) has a lot to do with that consistency. The point being that the Republican / Tea Party has become literally owned and controlled by “the money” and actually offers the majority nothing but propaganda – their actions throughout the healthcare reform process has made that perfectly clear as they arrogantly faulted and stubbornly blocked all efforts, contributing / offering nothing and always only serving their politics, Special Interests and “the money”.
The reality is that for anyone in the majority to put any faith in the Republican / Tea Party is not only foolish, it is down right self-defeating. Even if someone is a redneck bigot driven by strong prejudices and ignorance, for them to support today’s GOP they have to be simply dumb because they would literally be having their emotions manipulated to dupe, use and abuse them. It is simply obvious in the propaganda constantly offered and in the exploitation that is consistently supported – hiding behind “conservative” while always pushing the country further into being a two-class society with “the money” (as the Koch brothers and others so clearly demonstrate) constantly feeding their insatiable “more” (never enough) appetite while the majority is left to struggle. It isn’t that the Democrats are so great but rather that the GOP has literally become so bad. Their goal now is to return to “more of the same”, Bush-Cheney style, and that can only result in “more of the same” – no hope for the majority there.
Tea party leader Cruz reminds me of the two characters from C.S.Lewie's The Screwtape letters. Rafael Cruz Screwtape and Ted Cruz Wormwood are the two from the nether world who have appeared on American political scene to destroy the American patients from within. The American Tea party people have to realize , however right they are in hating the American government, that Rafael Cruz Screwtape, came to America from Cuba via Canada to destroy the American way of life. Screwtape became a citizen of USA in 2005 to facilitate the rise of Wormwood in American politics. Americans should be beware of the converts who have the propensity to be over zealous in their beliefs just to show the zealots that they are better than the rest. These people have the audacity to show disdain on the poor people who deserve some type of government assistance in their existence. They should be working to use their new found power and wealth to help the poor brethren in Cuba to enjoy the freedom that they themselves are experiencing in USA. Rafael Cruz Screwtape is an ex-commie. Worked closely with Fidel Castro who was responsible for disappearance of many freedom loving Cubans. Wormwood is a free loader who ,of course, has worked hard to arrive at the place where he is today. But they do not have the gratitude to multitude in America who have helped them to become what they are today. Rafael Screwtape is a preacher. But what comes out his mouth is nothing but hatred and unchristian utterances. Tea party people should find someone more moderate than Wormwood in order to bring about the change they seek in USA. All Americans should unite in exposing and putting these people in their place. I mean Republicans, Democrats,Tea party people, Libertarians and independents. Otherwise patient(s) will die.
Admire him for what? If he would tell the American public what his big idea for our health care was, then maybe this would be a start. He can't, because he doesn't have anything better. I can't admire anyone who feels its ok to take peoples heath care rights away because that's all he's done is bash Obamacare..
If the Affordable Care Act was repealed, or defunded then this would have struck down the law or delayed it and here would be millions of people again who couldn't get coverage for pre-existing conditions. Children are already getting care, we can't this away from them or the adults who are soon fixing to get coverage.
I don't see him to be a hero at all or a person to be admired in any form or fashion He's not supposed to be putting his interests first, and that is all he's doing!.
Actually, he has the same plan they've always had – drop the "bordered" sale of health insurance and make the market more competitive. It's a proven fact: When the government is in charge of something, prices go up and quality goes down. When the public sector is in charge, prices go down and quality goes up due to competition. Go learn something, then come back and see if you can make some kind of sense. Low information voters kill me.
health care rights is an interesting but non-existent concept. If you look at basic 'rights' granted, they are generally of those things with which we, and all things, were born and very basic in nature. With that opinion stated, too many people use health 'insurance' and health 'care' as one an the same- which they are not. Absolutely I favor the current system over the new ACA and this is why. People who wish to protect themselves from excessive health bills may purchase insurance.It is an option for some and an inability to others. For those who cannot afford insurance would much rather pick up the cost of actual CARE than insurance, they still MUST receive health CARE. When a person cannot pay for their health care, then we all pick it up through higher insurance premiums, etc. but it covers only that CARE and not the profits of an insurance company that premiums will contain. As far as using higher cost emergency rooms, yes, that needs to be FIXED but theentire system does not need to be thrown out for a system that can ONLY raise costs for all. This is especially true of those who can afford a bronze plan premiums but still must exhaust very high deductibles before they are able to use their plan.
The Tea Party tactics are un-America! Anyone who follows the history of our Founders should know this! For example, George Washington, in a letter to George Mason on March 27, 1779, wrote: "To me, it appears no unjust simile to compare the affairs of this great Continent to the mechanism of a clock, each state representing some one or other of the smaller parts of it which they are endeavoring to put in fine order without considering how useless & unavailing their labor is unless the Great Wheel, or spring which is set to the whole in motion is well attended to-& kept in good order!"
Clearly, each representative becomes a small part of Congress (a clock) and should CARE about the proper working of that Congress. To throw a wrench into the normal functioning of Congress goes against the Founders of this great nation.
Those who call the Tea Party racists and equate them to the KKK are quite correct in pointing out the Tea Party's un-American activities!
The proper English there would be "un-American". You guys are so transparent. Just remember that while calling people racists does work – the discussion ends immediately- you are not fooling anyone. You are silencing others and not allowing them to participate in the process. But you are not convincing anyone of anything. The large portion of Americans in this country that are getting increasingly concerned about all of the over spending and corruption will have a say – one way or another.
Politics is not LEFT or RIGHT anymore
It is TRUTH vs Republicans.
@ A Han. Truth as in you can keep your Doctor? Truth as in if you like your coverage, you can keep it? Truth as in your premiums with decrease by $2,500 a year truth? Oh, sorry if I misunderstood you definition of TRUTH?
Your comments sound plausible when you favor a law that is being opposed. Imagine that the Tea Party was using the same tactics, but to oppose an Alaskan pipeline law. Would you describe the Tea Party in the same way? I doubt it.
Ted Cruz is just pulling his chair to promote his ambition to be president. He is like clown too much bluffing and excuses, reasons and using word for American people. Why republicans during the making of Obamacare didn't amend before if become voted in senate. It's too late and that's happen shutdown the gov. Because their purpose is to rather have shutdown to win republicans rather than to amend before it voted. in my own opinion, if I'm republican I'm going to amend before it become law rather than shutting down the government.
You do realize that no Republican voted for this in a Democrate controlled Congress (which means Dems held majority in both Senate and House)? No amendment could get passed. That's a foolish defense and ignorant argument.
You want to know a "law of the land" that Democrats defended fiercely from being changed? Segregation. Laws are meant to be changed. You're confused about Amendments and the Bill of Rights. Asshat.
Han, what amendment would the Democrats have agreed to include?
Ted Cruz has dual identity, if where us the flows he is there. He knows how to pretend and depend his side. He voted but opposing the obamacare. What leadership is has a dual identity to promote his being a man.
If my interpretation of this ridiculously bad comment is correct, you believe that Cruz voted for Obamacare? Wow. Please display your ignorance more loudly. He wasn't an elected Senator when this Obamination was forced through the Congress on party lines and dubious legal tactics.
There is absolutely NOTHING to admire about Cruzzy the Clown.
I have heard few arguments about the substance of Cruz's positions. Lots of name calling, but little substantive comment or analysis.
I will not argue whether or not Senator Cruz has accepted responsibility for the shutdown. But then let's be fair...what has president Obama accepted responsibility for??? Not the economy – not Benghazi – not NSA – or fast and furious. Obama is simply the least accountable president in the history of our once great nation.
Ted is like just a bluffing clown.
I posted a comment here re changing the redskins name and is wasnt shown. I said I liked larry elder, had no use for norton and liked s.e. cupp. By the way, I also stated in one post that I liked newt gingrich. Hey guys, dont like my comments.............?? Then dont ask people to post....
I guess if you admire idiots, then go ahead and admire him.
Plenty of people admire Obama so your point is well made.
@ I guess so. I would rather be tied to Ted Cruz than to someone who doesn't read a bill then passes it? Like if someone walked up to you and asked you to sign something and said it was good for you, you don't need to read it. You sign it, and realize you just signed your life over to a criminal? Brilliant I tell you, brilliant!
Mr. Jones, imagine Ted Cruz as a politician in the latter part of 18th century America. I wonder how he would have treated and represented the slaves. Still admire him?
Well being that he's a Statesman and not a Democrat, the historical answer would be that he was for desegregation. Oh sorry. Didn't you know? Dems were the champions of keeping the black race down.
If you actually paid attention to history instead of just spouting partisan nonsense, you would realize that the Democrats and Republicans have effectively traded places since the days of slavery. Don't believe me? Look at the electoral map and notice where the Red and Blue is. Where you see the Red now used to be Democratic stronghold. Yes, parties do change. Any republican that says they represent the party of Lincoln is sorely mistaken.
Nick, you're correct but the fact that it was Republicans who wanted desegregation and not "old Democrats" is OR's point. The new radical progressive Democrats decided their new base was the dirt poor and minorities and plays them all like violins. So besides free phones and Obamacare, which by the way is already causing Insurance companies to abandon plans thus customers are now forced into ACA are finding out that their premiums are going to skyrocket and they'll end up paying more out of pocket in co-pays, what really have the Dems done to promote minorities? Detroit would be a great example of Democratic leadership.