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Vote: back pay for furloughed workers?
October 7th, 2013
04:38 PM ET

Vote: back pay for furloughed workers?

It's been a week since the government shutdown, and there's still plenty of blame going around.

In the Crossfire tonight, Senator Edward Markey (D-MA) and Senator. John Thune (R-ND) join Stephanie Cutter and S.E. Cupp to discuss how to end the stalemate.

Sen. Markey blames the Republicans for the shutdown, while Sen. Thune criticizes President Obama for not negotiating.

Meanwhile, the House unanimously passed a bill that provides back pay for furloughed federal workers. On Friday, the White House said the president would sign the measure, but the bill still has to go through the Senate.

What do you think? Should government workers get paid for the days they were furloughed? Vote below or tweet Yes or No using #Crossfire.

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  1. WorkingWithoutPay

    I'm a federal worker that is working during the shutdown without pay and my heart goes out to the furloughed federal workers. However, furloughed workers should not receive back pay if they are not at the job. Furloughed workers should be called back to work during the shutdown. Once the government reopen, everyone that worked receives a check.

    October 9, 2013 at 12:24 am | Reply
  2. Stephanie mack

    I'm a contractor for the department of labor. I am NOT getting backpay or pay of any kind. I have to delay my mortgage because like most, I live paycheck to paycheck. I vote democrat but I can tell you I am disgusted and disappointed with all of them from the president on down. This shutdown is hurtinng real people. How is this a democracy when both sides wont talk? WE are paying for this shutdown with stress over how we're going to pay our bills. How dare you all treat us like we are expendable. I will remember this next time I go to vote.

    October 7, 2013 at 11:37 pm | Reply
  3. LJ

    Why are Americans skirting around our true problems within our home. We are walking around with big S's on our foreheads "STUCK on STUPID". We all especially America's elders(BOOMERS) should be shame how we dropped the ball. America our home was passed down to us from our great grands, one of if not the finest of all the neighborhoods. When we received it, it stood above the rest, a land of plenty, every child of Aerica's home helped to make sure that it would always remain that way. We have allowed our home to be invaded by intruders whom have come here to only steal, kill, manipulate and take. We true Americans need to ask how can we now have over 40 million plus of other countries people and we are fighting to pay our bill? Realisticly how can that be? We should the fastest most productive country on the globe and throughout all neighborhoods of WORLD. Our government are shut down because we choose to fight among ourselves, now true Americans. THE SOLUTION during these hard times for us and our children are to rid taxpayers of all BURDENS. The reason why we are at this point in our home is because we have allow these intruders to take ALL OUR MONEY. Our grandchildren would be so displeased once they find out that we their elder brothers and sissters allowed not so educated people con us/them out of what was rightfully their. If we don't get our home back in order we will not have a home. Another thing we need to ask how can a guest come to your home and over populate you and your family within your home? We pay for each birth and the average are 12-25+. Now they didn't come to assist but to take. An illegal woman Precare X 25= $50,000 / birth (1) child= $65,000 X 25=$1,625,000 /WIC (1) child=$3,000 X 25=$75,00 /Welfare (1) child= $2,400 X 25=$60,000 / Foodstamps (1) child= $3,600 X 25=$90,000 / Free Medical (medication/ doc visits)-(1) child= $5,000 X 25=$125,000 / Utility Assistance (per mo.) X 12=$2,400 X25 yrs.=$60,000 /Free lunches (1) child=$360 X 25=$9,000 / Education (1) child= PRICELESS X 25= $MILLIONS. That is what we pay for 1 illegal man/woman X 40 million. That money belongs to the Americans that great grands worked for and to pass down to their children and not others that come to take. If we get these intruders out we wouldn't have to fight among ourselves. Our grands are rolling over in their graves on how we have managed this once strong country to fall to her knees. I seen on Cnn that Mexico are spending more money now in our home than ever before. That's only because they have taken it all from us through conning and manipulation. We can't afford to continue to take care of these people. Most Americans don't make what we hae spent on one illegal family in a lifetime, really. They have our jobs while over 8 million true Americans are jobless. Our teens needs employment also so they can get a running start with their future. We have to buy our insurance for health care, we have to buy our food, we have to pay for each birth of our children, Each doctors visit we pay, medication we pay, our bills we pay, mortgage/rent we pay, school / property taxes, Income taxes we pay, Education we pay. They pay $00.00, they work very few, those who do you will see at any Western Union and Money Gram from Wed-Sat for the last past 25 years. Those dollars were meant to cirrulate instead of leaving our home going into another. These people have more of our US dollars within their home than we do here. Another Burden is these prisons that we are paying for. Did you know that we taxpayers are paying $27,000-6=$68,000 a yr. to house an inmate? If they didn't kill, assault, or rape they should be out paying their debt to society like paying more taxes, taking care of their own children instaed of taxpayers, true Americans money will go where it belong to Americans and our system (staying at home). Ridding our home of all these years of DEAD WEIGHT. Desparate times cause for just measures. We cannot afford to not stop the madness. They shouldn't have a say as to what we do in our home and if they have a problem with cleaning up our home then we need to send them back with a pricetag to their home for every PENNY they have received through fraud. They all have husbands that's why they are able to birth a child yearly at Americans expense. That becomes a lifetime obligation for us. They laugh at us even boldly tell us Americans that they are soon to defeat us without bloodshed. Are we at war with these people? They have taken everything down to our jobs from us. Wake up my true American brothers and sisters. It's time out for being "STUCK on STUPID"

    October 7, 2013 at 8:31 pm | Reply
  4. RubenV

    Not that anyone should have to lose pay because of our incompetent Congress's inability to work as professional leaders of the free world, but what about the millions of furloughed workers who lost pay when the economic crisis first hit? They didn't get back pay. The point of a furlough is to forego pay, not pick and choose what rules to enforce. This again, is just our Republican party trying to save face come next election. Guess what? Check Mate! Clear out your offices. Non-Essential elected leaders need not report to work anymore.

    October 7, 2013 at 7:53 pm | Reply
  5. K Sweets

    Everyone is talking about taking care of these pretend politicians at the next election. Why wait?? Why don't
    'we the people", let them know how we feel about them by starting a recall petition for each and everyone of the politicians involved. I don't care who is democrat or republican, they are all not able to perform the job that we elected them to do. Lets hold them to the same standards our bosses hold us to and "fire" them immediately for failing to perform their jobs. Do you think they would find a way to work together and fix this problem ASAP if they were facing a recall?? They know from past history that voters don't have a long enough recall for them to worry about elections in the future.

    October 7, 2013 at 7:48 pm | Reply
  6. vb1to6

    The BLM is responsible for oversight of oil & gas production on federal lands. The 12.5% mineral royally revenues on each barrel of oil produced from federal minerals are transferred to the U.S. treasury for use by all taxpayers. The se production royalties revenue exceed $10B annually.

    Due to the furloughs of government inspectors, the oil industry currently operates with no oversight of Inspection & Enforcement activities during drilling, blow-out preventer testing, surface pipe cementing operations that protect fresh water zones, and sales of our oil and gas minerals. That’s correct, the Oil & Gas Inspectors are sitting at home while $107 per barrel oil is being pumped out of the taxpayers oil reserves and sold by the oil companies leasing federal land without oversight.

    It takes years to train an effective Inspection & Enforcement officer. Please don’t risk sending the well trained men and women enforcing our oil and gas regulations to the private sector over back pay.

    October 7, 2013 at 7:39 pm | Reply
  7. Rich

    Some back pay yes but not 100%. Maybe 75%.

    October 7, 2013 at 7:34 pm | Reply
  8. Kim

    The furloughed worker never asked for the time off, they were ordered off the job. The fact that they now want to pay furloughed workers then let them back on the job to earn that pay. I have been working the last 7 days w/out the promise of pay until the shutdown is over and because of the shutdown we are only allowed 3 people to continue 24/7 operations.

    October 7, 2013 at 7:30 pm | Reply
    • InNC

      In the same boat, I had no choice to come in and work, I told we get a IOU. The people who got furlough got the time off, only three days. I see no reason why they should recieve back pay, without submitting some type of leave. We had three the put in for unemployment benefit, true democrat that they are.

      October 9, 2013 at 7:57 am | Reply
  9. Lonnie

    . @CrossfireCNN No work, no pay. Operate like a private business and you wouldnt be in this position. Rob Peter to pay Paul??? Bad economics. I value that some have expressed the desire to work, but wanting to and actually working should determine if you get paid.

    October 7, 2013 at 7:17 pm | Reply
  10. R. Stone

    While I sympathize with the federal workers, NO, they should not receive pay for work not done. This game of political football needs to inflict pain so that the voters will rise up and not allow this to happen again. Neither side should be able to turn this budget issue into "We voted to get you paid,so we're the good guys". Sorry, but private sector workers were affected, too. What about all of them? What about all the visitors to national parks? They won't get made whole by paying federal workers. This possible shutdown was well publicized, and workers should have taken steps to lessen the blow to their families. "Failing to plan is planning to fail", kinda like our political leaders have done all along. I know it sounds hard-hearted, but how can you get paid if you didn't do the work (unless you're a Congressman or Congresswoman)?

    October 7, 2013 at 7:15 pm | Reply
    • Bobby

      Just out of curiosity, what "steps" should federal workers have taken to lessen the blow to not getting their regularly scheduled paychecks? Are you aware government workers aren't allowed to work elsewhere during the shutdown? Are you referring to taking out loans to pay their mortgages? Borrowing from neighbors to make their car payments? Stop buying groceries to save up in advance? I'm not actually arguing you point of view, but would like to hear what steps you would nave suggested, had a federal worker asked you about a couple of months ago, which was about when I think most of us started to hear a shutdown might occur. Add the fact this hasn't happened in 17 years, and I'd say most federal workers would have been reluctant to take whatever steps you might have in mind because the likelihood of them seeming necessary would have appeared pretty slim.

      October 8, 2013 at 10:32 pm | Reply
    • Carol

      I have worked for the federal government for 16 years. You say we should have planned ahead to be furloughed if there was a shutdown. Well, every year there has been threat nothing has happened. What information did you have that we didn't ,to actually know that there would be a shutdown? We were shocked..and then thought it would last only a few days. Government workers have been the scapegoats and taken the hit the last few years. Contrary to what people think the low man on the totem pole average workers do work hard for their pay. We are now doing more with less, not getting pay increases, and have already lost pay due to sequester budget cuts. I believe in the rural programs my agency supports and am angry that we have been locked out to work to help those who need our services.

      October 9, 2013 at 12:22 am | Reply
  11. Confused confucious

    How is forcing people to stay at home and then authorizing full retroactive pay for them helping the economy? This is outrageous. All congressmen should not only be fired, but their current and back pay taken away from them. This congress is capable of doing more harm to the economy than all past recessions combined.

    October 7, 2013 at 7:14 pm | Reply
    • TL

      Couldn't agreed more. The politicians are the ones who couldn't get the job done, not the government workers, they should not lose their pay. All three government branches should be the first to lose their pay before any government shut down – we should amend that in the constitution.

      October 8, 2013 at 1:26 pm | Reply
  12. yncmitch

    Yrs they should

    October 7, 2013 at 7:12 pm | Reply
  13. Tappy McWidestance

    If the Republicans were serious about fiscal conservatism they would not pay people for not working. How are we going to cut spending by paying people not to work? Of course since Congress gets paid for not working the rest of the time the government is open, I guess it makes sense to extend that courtesy to other government workers.

    October 7, 2013 at 7:12 pm | Reply
  14. Dale Neas

    Not only should the furloughed workers be paid back-pay for their time out of work, it should be funded from the salaries of the president, congressmen, and senators salaries.

    October 7, 2013 at 7:08 pm | Reply
  15. dan cushing

    Of course they should be repaid...and this group is the most intelligent and wise political brains we have to show the world. ?????? Very scary..

    October 7, 2013 at 7:07 pm | Reply
  16. Juan

    Do you invite people NOT to let them talk? We don´t want to hear you girls, we would love to hear R´s and D´s comments´ on important issues... Stop looking for rating and please let your guests talk!
    Thank you!

    October 7, 2013 at 7:03 pm | Reply
  17. Hal Clay

    I was just watching the two women on crossfire on CNN. I LOVE them. They are making good points and not letting the guest state the normal party lines.

    They are both great.

    Hal Clay

    PS: Ever thought about having a normal viewer on the show for a different viewpoint?

    October 7, 2013 at 7:01 pm | Reply
  18. Really?

    People are going to get paid for NOT working?

    October 7, 2013 at 6:46 pm | Reply
  19. Janet

    Why is everyone smiling and smirking? Not one of these people are taking anything anyone says seriously. The 2 CNN commentators are as guilty. This is serious stuff and they are smiling like it's all a joke

    October 7, 2013 at 6:42 pm | Reply
  20. ProtectAmericanJobs

    Both parties have sold out the bulk of the American citizens, who they're supposed to represent, by allowing the incursion of illegal aliens and the "out-sourcing" floodgates to open wider and wider without taking any sensible measures to stem the tide.

    Wouldn't it be More Productive if Our Elected Leaders Started Working Together as AMERICANS for AMERICANS and AMERICA, instead of just bickering, stalling and posturing for the next election as democrats and republicans! The way that both parties having been operating for years just stinks! Neither party has really been looking out for the best interests of the US Citizens who elect them and who they're supposed to represent.

    The ONLY REAL FIX for the greatest country on earth is to Raise Revenue by Bringing Back Jobs to US Citizens who Pay Income Tax.

    The Citizens of the United States of America need our elected leaders from both parties to start working together to actually start trying to fix the real problems in our country like "out-sourcing", illegal immigration, the out of control costs of health care insurance and our reliance on foreign fuel. Fix them together as Americans! – Because united we'll stand, but divided we'll fall.

    We need Patriotic American Leaders – NOT party-line-politicians!

    October 7, 2013 at 5:47 pm | Reply

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