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May 14th, 2014
09:47 PM ET

Cupp: Biden's like 100, who else is there?

S.E. Cupp asks who the Democrats have besides Hillary Clinton, in case she doesn't run. Hilary Rosen debates with Kevin Madden.

Is GOP too far right?
S.E. Cupp and Kevin Madden get into a heated debate whether the Republican Party is too far right and the internal civil war.

Cutter: Sasse too impractical & extreme
Stephanie Cutter says Nebraska GOP Senate candidate Ben Sasse's comments are outrageous impractical extremism.

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  1. countingdown

    You're poor
    About the 700 Billion (with a B) you claim was robbed from Medicare. That is undeniably FALSE. Most of those cuts were cuts to the DOCTORS and HOSPITALS (NO cuts were made to Medicare beneficiaries like you) which actually SAVES Medicare money. Let me put that in a way you might understand it. If your trailer payment goes down, then you will have more money to spend on Everclear. Pretty simple really. See: http://www.factcheck.org/2012/08/medicares-piggy-bank/

    FOR EVERY LINK YOU PROVIDE TO TRY TO DISCREDIT THE FACT I CAN PROVIDE 2 TO COUNTER. THE FOLLOWING IS JUST ONE. THIS TRAVESTY BEGAN IN 2012 AND HOSPITALS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY ARE CUTTING BACK AND LAYING OFF NOW AND DOCTORS ARE DROPPING MEDICARE PATIENTS DUE TO CUTS IN FUNDING; WHICH BTW, DRIVES UP COST!

    http://blog.heritage.org/2012/12/21/12-days-of-obamacare-surprises-more-medicare-cuts/

    "Which Parts of Medicare Will Be Cut?

    In Obamacare, the payment cuts are across-the-board cuts (modifications of Medicare’s complex payment formulas) made throughout the bulk of the Medicare program. According to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO), these cuts will decrease Medicare spending by an estimated $716 billion between 2013 and 2022.

    The money is cut from hospital services, Medicare Advantage, skilled nursing services, hospice services, and other Medicare services. To be clear, the cuts do not target individual institutions or medical organizations suspected of waste, fraud, or abuse.

    Where Does the Money Go?

    Despite a continuous and steady repetition of false claims by supporters of Obamacare in and out of Congress, the $716 billion in “savings” from Medicare are taken out of the program to pay for new spending in Obamacare. The cuts do not strengthen the Medicare program, nor do they extend the life of the Part A trust fund. In correspondence with Senator Jeff Sessions (R–AL), ranking member of the Senate Budget Committee, the CBO has confirmed that the majority of the savings leave Medicare to fund Obamacare and thus cannot be counted again as improving Medicare’s finances."

    BTW, why do you hate poor people?

    May 19, 2014 at 10:39 am | Reply
    • countingdown

      You're poor
      Do you realize that you posted articles that PROVE Obama didn't rob Medicare of 700 billion. The articles state exactly what I've been saying. The Medicare cuts were for doctors, hospitals, and insurers. NOT Medicare beneficiaries. This actually SAVES Medicare money.

      You didn't even read the articles. You're such amaroon.

      But go ahead and continue to vote against your own interests. I can't stop you from being a moron. It's your right. But when your own party (GOP) cut your SS and Medicare benefits, give them the credit for it.

      May 19, 2014 at 9:19 am |

      "the CBO has confirmed that the majority of the savings leave Medicare to fund Obamacare and thus cannot be counted again as improving Medicare’s finances.""

      ARE YOU CALLING THE CBO LIARS?

      BTW, WHY DO YOU HATE POOR PEOPLE?

      May 19, 2014 at 9:01 pm | Reply
      • You're poor

        So you actually found out that Obama did NOT rob Medicare of 700 Billion as you claimed. Therefore, you were wrong. Now quit voting against your own interests. The GOP want to cut YOUR SS and Medicare BENEFITS. If that is what you want, then keep voting GOP. I can't stop you from being an idiot. It's your right.

        May 23, 2014 at 12:35 pm |
      • countingdown

        Ha, ha, ha, So you actually found out that Obama did rob Medicare of 700 Billion as I claimed. Therefore, you were wrong. Now quit voting against your own interests. The DEMS want to TAKE YOUR MONEY AND GIVE IT TO PEOPLE UNWILLING TO WORK FOR IT . If that is what you want, then keep voting DEMS. I can't stop you from being an idiot. It's your right.

        May 29, 2014 at 9:03 am |
    • countingdown

      BTW, why do you hate poor people?

      May 29, 2014 at 9:04 am | Reply
  2. Spgfld Tom

    Biden/Sebelius '16! Why settle for Hillary (the ObamaLite candidate) when we can have Biden in the White House to continue the madness.

    May 18, 2014 at 9:02 pm | Reply
  3. Chipster

    Like, tell the Valley Girl, Like – Biden is 71 not 100. So, "Like," maybe she should kick her brain into gear. Elizabeth Warren will be a phenomenal candidate along with a list of other highly qualified Democrats ready, willing and able to take on whoever survives the GOP's internal religious zealot wars.

    May 15, 2014 at 8:51 pm | Reply
  4. jim

    governor walker should run for president if Hillery is wins we are in worse shap than now

    May 15, 2014 at 7:15 pm | Reply
    • kurt

      Barring something drastic happening in the next couple of years, Hillary is very likely to win if she runs, regardless of who it's against.

      When you look at the democratic primary in 2008, Hillary beat Obama in most of the battleground states for a general election. Remember one of her pushes was that her popularity was strongest in the states that mattered.

      If Obama could take Ohio, Florida, Michigan and PA in 2012... then I can't see why Hillary wouldn't take those states in 2016 considering she's more popular in every single one of them. And the GOP can't win without taking at least one of those 4 states. Even if they take Colorado, New Mexico, Iowa, Virginia, North Carolina and Missouri... it's still not enough. They'd be sitting at 239 to 299.

      Even Florida or Ohio ALONE isn't enough. They'd need to take all the states above, Florida and still pick up 2 more electoral votes somewhere.

      The GOP pretty much has to run the table in most of the swing states to win the presidency at this point. A loss in either Ohio or Florida makes it just about impossible for them to win.

      The electoral map basically says that the current GOP way of doing business will make it very hard for them to win the presidency in the near future.

      May 15, 2014 at 10:17 pm | Reply
      • Gunderson

        Well,
        Don't count your Chickens before they hatch. Electing Hillary or a Hillary Clone will be bad news for the country. Hillary is like Barrack Obama on Steriods. With the 29 hour work week or no work week and the 17.7 Trillion Dollar Federal debt more liberalisim is no prize.

        May 17, 2014 at 9:20 am |
      • kurt

        Well, regardless of what you like or don't like, the fact is for a GOP person to win the presidency, they have to take the states Romney took plus another 64 electoral votes. That's not political ideology... it's math.

        That means if you work your way from the closest state toward the states Obama more easily run, a GOP candidate would have to take Florida, Ohio, Virginia AND Colorado.

        Obama won Colorado by over 5 points. You're talking about a HUGE shift from democrat to GOP on a national scale for a GOP candidate to win the presidency.

        The scary thing from a math perspective is that Hillary beat Obama in Florida and Ohio... the two closest of those 4 states that would need to flip for a GOP win. That makes the GOP job harder in those states then it would if Obama was still on the ticket.

        The GOP can win the house due to how they've gotten the districts drawn. They can win the senate because each state has 2 senators and there are more GOP oriented states then democrat oriented. But the electoral college is by population... and the democrats have control over the big population states for the most part... and that will grow as the Hispanic population increases if the GOP refuses to embrace immigration reform.

        The country is changing. Dukakis had about the same results in each demographic as Obama did. But because the US was so much whiter then, he got only 111 electoral votes where Obama got 332.

        The 1988 approach won't work for the GOP anymore. They need to get more then 30% of the various minority groups or they simply cannot win again.

        May 17, 2014 at 7:18 pm |
      • You're poor

        @GunDERPson – You're poor. Why do you vote against your own interests? You will need SS and Medicare (or you're already on it). Why vote for the GOP who want to cut your SS and Medicare benefits?

        May 18, 2014 at 7:25 pm |
      • countingdown

        You're poor @GunDERPson
        – You're poor. Why do you vote against your own interests? You will need SS and Medicare (or you're already on it). Why vote for the GOP who want to cut your SS and Medicare benefits?

        May 18, 2014 at 7:25 pm |

        Why do you hate poor people?

        May 19, 2014 at 10:17 am |
      • countingdown

        Kurt, do you really think Obama would have won in 12 had 145 million working Americans known they were being screwed by OBAMACARE and his outright lie?

        May 19, 2014 at 1:21 pm |
      • You're poor

        @countingdown – I DON'T hate poor people. Where did I say I hated poor people. I want to EDUCATE poor people to NOT vote against their own interests when they vote GOP. The GOP want to cut your SS and Medicare benefits.

        May 23, 2014 at 12:28 pm |
      • countingdown

        You're poor @countingdown – I DON'T hate poor people. Where did I say I hated poor people. I want to EDUCATE poor people to NOT vote against their own interests when they vote GOP. The GOP want to cut your SS and Medicare benefits.

        May 23, 2014 at 12:28 pm |

        Yes you do or you wouldn't use it as your comment name and begin your post with this name, or post stuff like this from your comment called "Profile Of The Typical Republican Voter"
        "1. Thinks they themselves are rich.
        2. Makes less than $100,000/yr.
        3. Has anet worth less than $200,000.
        4. Primary residence is on wheels or blocks."

        Or you would be a hypocrite to post this comment, also from "Profile Of The Typical Republican Voter".
        "7. Probably retired and depending on SS and Medicare or will be the person most likely to need SS and Medicare."

        That's why I want you poor people to quit voting against your own interests when you vote GOP. It's the GOP that want to cut your SS and Medicare benefits.

        "In a new Cato study, "Still a Better Deal: Private Investment vs. Social Security," Cato Senior Fellow Michael Tanner demonstrates that actual investment returns over the past 40 years show that a system of private investment will, in fact, provide significantly higher rates of return than the current Social Security system."

        So, anyone who has worked for forty years would have more income from their investment of the same money paid into the social security system. Those who can invest separately do well. However, the poor people that you hate, don't have that option and are forced to rely on the ss system. Our belief is that for the generation just now entering the work force should be given the option ss or private investment. The problem is government steals from this program to fund social agendas but when jobs are vacant less money is coming in and surprise, surprise, surprise, ss is in trouble. JOBS! JOBS! JOBS! JOBS! Jobs give people independence, a sense of worth, responsibly for their own life. I feel sorry for you. This blind hate that you and liberal extremists have is beyond comprehension.

        May 29, 2014 at 10:26 am |
  5. Disabled veteran

    The veterans admin abuses and mistreats veterans all over the united states. Its been going on for 50 years....the veterans administration has had secret lists and has been hiding evidence of abuse of our veterans for 50 years,. That's the way the veterans admin operates. I am a 100 % disabled veteran and wait times to see a doctor are always over 3 months. No one cares and this will never change. My father was a disabled veteran and they didn't help him either. They are still abusing veterans to this day every day. They send their people out to hide evidence and lye on TV.

    May 15, 2014 at 6:44 pm | Reply
    • countingdown

      Thank you sir, for your father and your own service and sacrifice! I am sorry for what has occurred to you and all veterans! All Americans hold a responsibility for this travesty, because we haven't demanded correctable solutions and accountability. My fear is a national healthcare system would produce the same result.

      May 20, 2014 at 11:02 pm | Reply
      • countingdown

        Correction, Thank you Sir, should read: Thank you Sir/Ma'am, not knowing your gender. In either case, what has happened to our veterans is wrong!

        May 21, 2014 at 7:45 am |
  6. kurt

    As far as the GOP... SE Cupp is the more honest of the two conservatives on that second clip.

    She just wants the GOP to pretend not to be too far to the right. But what she's not acknowledging is you can't say that out loud. The other guy agrees with her, but he's doing the spin job. Making the GOP proposals seem less horrible then people percieve them in order to win the election.

    The GOP has to do that spin job. They can't say "illegals all need to be deported, the poor and elderly need to fend for themselves without government help, Christian values need to be enshrined in law and those who don't want to vote for us should have barriers erected to keep them from voting".

    That's what they want... but if you say it that way you can't win a national election. So they have to lie. He realizes that. Cupp does not. She thinks enough people agree with her that the GOP can just say that stuff and still be elected. She's got the tea party viewpoint... and while that works for you in places like South Carolina (sigh), Mississippi, Utah and Texas... it doesn't even work in conservative places like Georgia (where Nunn is poling ahead of most GOP candidates who've been tacking to the right to win the primary) let alone on a national stage where Florida and Ohio determine the winners.

    May 15, 2014 at 12:57 pm | Reply
  7. kurt

    The democrats have a very strong bench that is sitting out due to the strength of Clinton.

    Andrew Cuomo, Christine Gregoire, Amy Klobuchar, Bill Nelson, Martin O'Malley, Mark Warner... all would be in the presidential mix if Hillary's shadow were less large. The idea that if Hillary said "no thanks" today none could build themselves up to a presidential contender quickly is pretty silly.

    Bill Clinton, a little known Arkansas Governor, announced his candidacy in October of 1991. That would be the same as a less known candidate announcing in October of 2015... a full year and a half from now. There is plenty of time for a strong candidate like the ones above to jump into the race and become a national frontrunner if Hillary bows out. I think we'll know at the very beginning of 2015 if she's running and if not... that's when others jump in.

    Contraversial like Cruz or Paul doesn't win presidential elections. Those guys rarely win nominations and NEVER get elected in the general. They may be well known, but they aren't successful. Warren would face a similar problem, but there are lots of governors and senators, particularly women, who are positioned now and will likely still be positioned in 2020 or 2024 for a presidential run.

    May 15, 2014 at 12:47 pm | Reply
    • Leftcoastrocky

      good comment, kurt

      May 19, 2014 at 6:31 pm | Reply
  8. If he's "like" 100

    Then he's not really 100. Right Cupp? Now go do something constructive and draw us a picture of some cookies.

    May 15, 2014 at 9:15 am | Reply

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