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Bush vs. Clinton déjà vu
April 7th, 2014
03:38 PM ET

Bush vs. Clinton déjà vu

Jeb Bush sang a different tune towards immigration than his Republican colleagues. "Yes, they broke the law, but it's not a felony. It's an act of love; it's an act of commitment to your family," Bush told Fox News host Shannon Bream at town hall event at the George H.W. Bush Presidential Library Center.

The Republican Party base has recently shown no love for candidates who talk about the need for compassion in dealing with undocumented immigrants. But Bush has warned Republicans that they must be more inclusive and more willing to compromise with Democrats to get things done.

Could Bush's more inclusive attitudes work for getting the bid in 2016, or is he alienating himself from his base?

We want you to weigh in: Do you think Jeb Bush can beat Hillary Clinton in 2016?

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  1. shanejoneshomes

    For CNN Crossfire to perpetuate Jeb Bush and HIlary Clinton as front runners? Garbage reporting...

    April 16, 2014 at 10:52 pm | Reply
  2. Google The Bush Family

    To see who the real traitors to the US are.

    April 10, 2014 at 8:45 am | Reply
    • protectusjobs

      They're certainly up there on the list.

      Let's face it, both sides are still able to get most people to buy and drink their flavor of Kool-Aid, but it's just different flavors of the same brand and both flavors are making the American People and the Real American Economy sick.

      Economic Fairness for the American People and the Real American Economy: It's called Tariffs, VAT and Protecting Our Southern Border.

      April 11, 2014 at 12:59 pm | Reply
  3. REGinAz

    Historically it always was that Republicans represented management and the Democrats represented labor and the reality was that there wasn't any good guys versus the bad guys, as the case is today, they all literally have faults and at any particular time one was just more needed than the other with the pendulum swinging first too far one way and then back too far the other way.  Today, as has been clearly evident especially since 2000, the pendulum has swung way too far to the right with the GOP becoming "puppets", totally owned and controlled by "the money", and with the finances, power and influence provided, they just concentrate on propagandizing to con the people and manipulate public opinion while having no conscience or real concern for the costs to the people – their political ambitions are their only priority and they have become cocky, arrogant and stubborn about it, secure with their confidence in "the money's" support.  The results clearly prove the point with Bush-Cheney totally focused on using their offices and America's resources to serve only "the money", while costing the country and the majority greatly; with the Republican / Tea Party focused on obstructing all efforts, withholding cooperation and refusing to compromise while just belligerently faulting and contributing nothing; and with the growing spread between the very wealthy and everyone else, as "the money" keeps feeding their insatiable "more" (never enough) appetite and the majority struggles always loosing more.  If the people, the majority, the voters are continually conned and neglect to see this reality, then the country will continue to become a two class society, with the few competing to have it all while the majority constantly looses more.  If the people, the voters don't wake up, they simply will seal their own fate.

    April 9, 2014 at 4:40 pm | Reply
  4. Bryon Pelzek

    Lets get the tea party and the occupy movement together!!!

    Both are against the direction of our current governments. Both are against bank bail outs. You can even say both were tired of the war at the time. Everyone failed in that no one saw the similarities. I was in DC during the Occupy Freedom Plaza. There were sooo many people that came up to me and shook my hand and said great job bringing attention to the corporate bailouts, the endless wars, the foreclosures etc. etc.

    The media hurt the occupy movement by putting them in a negative light. Horribly negative. They said the occupy movement didn't know what it was asking for!!! All you have to do is do a search on photos of the movement and you will see they wanted jobs, an end to corporate greed, end of the federal reserve, closure of tax loopholes and help with student debt because the jobs weren't there and school costs have gone through the roof. Can't you see it??? And we bought from the media hook line and sinker this garbage that the occupy movement was clueless. I am still shocked at this blatant lie and ashamed at the general public for mirroring this same belief without looking at with their own eyes.

    The GOP hurt the Tea Party by co opting them. At least they got into Congress and the Senate but I am sure they lost the steam they had before the GOP got a hold of them. The Federal Reserve is still present and the national debt is still high.

    This is not a left or right thing that the media wants us to believe.

    We have been duped by Bush and duped by Obama and bought by Clinton.

    Next time the occupy movement ebbs again, join them in the streets!!!
    Next time the tea party has a luncheon join them for a cup!!!

    We need to start coming together in the middle or our United States will remain divided right down the middle.

    Bryon Pelzek
    Chicago

    April 8, 2014 at 10:01 pm | Reply
    • protectusjobs

      Martin Luther King, Jr. was a great American and his march accomplished great things, but now it may be time for a new more all-inclusive march on Washington.

      All of our political leaders' talk is just cheap and meaningless! – When will these people finally wake up and step up with real ideas and real action, instead of just meaningless talk and tokenism?

      These idiots have been avoiding action for 2-3 decades.

      As far as I'm concerned this is the bottom line:

      The ONLY REAL FIX for our great country is to RAISE REVENUE, by Bringing Back Businesses and Jobs to TAX-PAYING AMERICAN CITIZENS.

      This is the only way that Americans are going to be able to "Get a Raise" and sustain it. The more jobs and businesses that we bring back to tax-paying Americans citizens, the healthier our real economy will be and the more likely it will be for the American people to keep up and possibly even start to move forward again.

      Unfortunately most of our politicians are a joke – Only it's not so funny, because over the past several decades, all they've been doing is screwing the American people, by stalling, spending, removing protections and allowing illegal aliens to continue to pour in and American jobs and industry to pour out, and all while collecting their American tax-payer funded pay checks, benefits and whatever else they get on the side from their various lobbyist friends.

      It seems to me that over the last 2-3 decades that both parties were always able to distract and polarize voters with insignificant peripheral social issues like gay marriage and abortion, which got most voters so caught up in the BS that they'd always lose sight of the bigger picture. If more people would have listened to Ross Perot back in 1992, America wouldn't be in this mess. I and many other people, who were able to see through all of the left vs right BS, did vote for Perot, because he was straight forward and just used common sense. He cared about his country and the American people.

      We'd really all be better off by just cutting through the BS and all the my team vs your team name calling nonsense and really focus on America and improving the future of the American people.

      Once they're elected, our leaders should be working together for the good of our country and our citizens by using combinations of the best ideas from both sides. – Instead of just trying to make the other side look bad so that they'll lose the next election. – How's that nonsense been working out for the American People and the Real American Economy?

      All the nonsense just allows the puppet-masters to continue to do what's best for them at the expense of the American people while we're polarized and distracted.

      But, let's face it – Neither party is actually running our country – Powerful puppet-masters play both sides to make sure that they get what they want. Unfortunately what they want is not usually in the best interest of the majority of the American people. (American citizens)

      The so called "Global Market Place" is not a level playing field. Companies may have made higher profits by "outsourcing", but they've been putting middle class Americans who are a good part of the world's customer base out of work.

      Foreign Lobbyists here in the US promote sending US jobs to countries like China, India and Mexico where they work for slave wages, no benefits, no OSHA safety standards or no real environment regulations. It also doesn't help us compete when these company's factories are subsidized by China's communist government. Just check out the current Chinese extreme pollution issues – We all live in the same world, but not every country plays by the same rules.

      The American people need American leaders who will start putting some sensible measures in place to stem the tide or this is going to continue to have a devastating effect on the United States of America and the American people.

      Aren't there at least a handful of these powerful puppet-masters that are fellow Americans with enough of a conscience, guts and loyalty to America and their fellow Americans to start trying to turn this trend around?

      If there aren't any, we're screwed.

      The bottom line is that "Our Government" has to protect American jobs and domestic industry – If they do that, the rest will take care of itself.

      Bringing manufacturing back to the US not only gives jobs to the US citizens who would be working in those manufacturing facilities, but to the people that would be working in the businesses that would spring up all around them. This should also include the safe harvesting, production and distribution of our own natural energy here in the USA, rather than paying for fuel from countries where they hate us. Let's keep that money and those jobs here in the US.

      The “Global Market Place” is not a level playing field! The whole idea of the tariffs is so we can pay our factory workers a decent wage and not be blown out by these other countries where they don’t play by the same rules. We may have to pay a bit more for products made here in the USA by US citizens, but at least we'll still have jobs and a future for our children.

      The lack of businesses and good jobs in the USA is what's really going to rob us, our children, grandchildren and great grandchildren of the potential of a prosperous or even decent future.

      It's all happened because, over the last 25-years, our government has allowed our country's industries to get sucked out to China, India, Mexico, etc and allowed illegal aliens and H-1B foreigners to come into our country and take away tax-paying Americans jobs and wages.

      It has all happened way too fast – Our government leaders should have put measures in place to make it slower, so that it wouldn't devastate our country, which has no chance when competing with other countries that don't play by the same rules or have pay scales that are even remotely close.

      That's where our government leaders have to step up and put some sensible measures and incentives in place to keep jobs here in the USA or the real economy and infrastructure of the country we love will be destroyed along with the future of the American people.

      Nowadays it's obviously not about being either lazy or uneducated as many try to profess, but about wages, expenses and regulations that are not even remotely close to the wages, expenses and regulations in our country.

      If more people would have listened to Ross Perot back in 1992, America wouldn't be in this mess.

      Regardless of what the Free-Traitors keep trying to sell us, we can see what's real. The American People need to just trust their own instincts, common sense and what they've seen actually going on all around them versus all of the nonsense that the Free-Traitors are still trying to sell us.

      The American people will need good jobs with health-care benefits in order to be able to pay for the services of those educated doctors, lawyers, college professors, etc. – It can't all be chiefs and no Indians. There is an equally important place for both of them in America.

      The ONLY REAL FIX for our great country is to RAISE REVENUE, by Bringing Back Businesses and Jobs to TAX-PAYING AMERICAN CITIZENS.

      The American People need Our Leaders to start remembering that they are elected by the Citizens of the United States of America to represent the interests of those citizens and the country itself.

      They're NOT Elected By or To Represent the Global Market Place, Lobbyist, Foreign citizens or Illegal Aliens.

      April 9, 2014 at 1:55 pm | Reply
  5. Dan

    So many wingnuts.

    April 8, 2014 at 3:14 pm | Reply
  6. Angelo

    I hope Jeb can beat Hilary. Just because Bill was a decent leader doesn't mean Hilary would be. I don't want the pilot's wife flying the plane, so why would I want the leaders wife in charge?

    April 8, 2014 at 11:31 am | Reply
    • O'drama ya Mama

      Just because Bush Sr. was was mediocre and Bush Jr. was absolutely despicable doesnt mean Jeb wont be just as much of a disappointment...3rd times a charm?

      April 8, 2014 at 2:54 pm | Reply
    • jahnaalmaguer

      You're talking about the ex secretary of state, she is more than just the "leader's wife," she herself is a leader. Bigot.

      April 8, 2014 at 7:12 pm | Reply
  7. protectusjobs

    It's really sad that our country has come to this.

    Just recently, while looking at a photo of Mount Rushmore – I couldn't help thinking how these great presidents would be angered, disgusted and outraged at what our current and recent crop of so-called "leaders"(Free-Traitors) have allowed and enabled to happen to the American People, the Real American Economy and Our Country.

    Almost all of our politicians are a joke – Only it's not so funny, because over the past several decades, all they've been doing is screwing the American people, by stalling, spending, removing protections and allowing illegal aliens to continue to pour in and American jobs and industry to pour out, and all while collecting their American tax-payer funded pay checks, benefits and whatever else they get on the side from their various lobbyist friends.

    Nowadays it's obviously not about being either lazy or uneducated as many try to profess, but about wages, expenses and regulations that are not even remotely close to the wages, expenses and regulations in our country.

    Regardless of what the Free-Traitors keep trying to sell us, we can see what's real.

    The American People need to just trust their own instincts, common sense and what they've seen actually going on all around them versus all of the nonsense that the Free-Traitors are still trying to sell us.

    The ONLY REAL FIX for our great country is to RAISE REVENUE, by Bringing Back Businesses and Jobs to TAX-PAYING AMERICAN CITIZENS.

    The American People need Our Leaders to start remembering that they are elected by the Citizens of the United States of America to represent the interests of those citizens and the country itself.

    They're NOT Elected By or To Represent the Global Market Place, Lobbyist, Foreigner citizens or Illegal Aliens.

    Hey Free-Traitors: The AMERICAN PEOPLE can see what's been done to them!

    Let's face it both parties are just doing the bidding of their masters, while lamely trying to look like they're trying to represent us. Wouldn't it be nice, if some of these masters were conscientious loyal Americans who loved their country and cared about their fellow Americans enough that they would finally start pointing their lap-dog-politicians in the direction of doing right by the American People? Maybe that's delusional on my part – But if this doesn't start happening soon, the American people and the future of the country that we love is doomed.

    April 7, 2014 at 6:01 pm | Reply
    • protectusjobs

      The problem in trying to elect good leaders for The United States of America has nothing to do with the color or gender of our politicians. It's our politician's, from both parties, lack of honesty and the lack of willingness to do right by the US citizens that they're elected by and should be representing.

      Before Hillary Clinton runs for president, Americans need to remember that it was her "husband" that got us into bed with China in the first place. – And how's that been working out for the American People and the Real American Economy?

      I don't trust the Clintons at all. – It was the "Clinton Machine" that kicked the ball over to China, which got the Real American Economy rolling down the hill.

      Nixon restored normal diplomatic relations between the US and China, but Clinton is the one who opened up the trade floodgates with China. And both Bill and Hillary were actively involved during their visit to China.

      Under Clinton jobs to China, Under Bush I & II influx of illegals/cheap labor into the US and jobs to Mexico/NAFTA – Bush started it and it was signed into effect by Clinton. I loved President Reagan at that time, because he brought pride and respect back to our country after those embarrassingly weak Carter years, but unfortunately his shortsighted economic policy sent us down the wrong path. Reaganonomics was a huge mistake. Jeez and the wizards on Wall Street wonder why the American people aren't putting as much money into savings and their 401k plans anymore. Maybe it's because the shortsighted economic policies, from the 1980's to the present, have come back to bite the hands that feed them. I guess the thought of changing from a manufacturing based economy to a service based economy of smoke and mirrors is working out just great? – Not!

      But even now President Obama is pushing a new disastrous, job-killing, "free trade" agreement on the United States under the misleading guise of increasing export opportunities. The president is asking for fast track trade authority that would give him unchallenged authority to do whatever he wants, in most cases to satisfy his campaign contributors instead of the American people. His track record proves he cannot be trusted with this kind of power. Congress must vote to deny the president fast track authority and they must refuse to pass the TPP!

      The president claims this agreement will be a good thing.

      In fact, the scarce details emerging from negotiations point in the opposite direction. Hundreds of corporate advisers are at the table looking for handouts for their particular industries, while average Americans are largely left in the dark. The results will surely be disastrous.

      If they try sneaking another disastrous trade agreement, like this TPP deal, through they're true Traitors to the American people. And I'll bet both parties will be involved. Funny, they can work together to line their own pockets, but not to put protections in place to help the American citizens that they are supposed to represent.

      The Trans Pacific Partnership must be stopped before it buries us for good.

      The WTO and NAFTA have done enough damage already, but if this goes into effect, Americans are really screwed.

      Let's face it – Both parties have sold out the American People! – Neither party really controls our country.

      If Ross Perot had been elected president in 1992, the American people and the real American economy would have been much better off today! I and many other people, who were able to see through all of the left vs right BS, did vote for Perot, because he was straight forward and just used common sense. He cared about his country and the American people.

      If more Americans would have listened to Perot back in 1992, we wouldn't be in this mess right now.

      ----------------

      Yeah Right – Balanced Budget Bill Clinton left us in great shape – As he sold us out to China and just waited for the damage to start setting in after he was long gone. – How'd that work out for the American People, the future of our country and the Real American Economy?

      Things may have been better short term as far as stock vales and consumer spending were concerned during the Clinton administration, but that was just a Short-Term Artificial boost to the economy. The Real American Economy and the Future of the American People was on it's way down hill, because of our leaders and that shortsighted Wall Street mentality selling the American People's Jobs Out to countries like China, India and Mexico where it's not even remotely close to a level playing field.

      Ha – Ha – Ha – "I did not have unethical trade relations with that communist Chinese government."

      April 7, 2014 at 6:05 pm | Reply
    • DRJJ

      We get the government we deserve! Too many are financial conservatives but socially liberal-can't have it both ways! We've tossed morals and ethics and expect capitalism to work. George Washington: it's impossible to govern without the Bible.

      April 7, 2014 at 8:00 pm | Reply
      • kurt

        Why can't you have it both ways?

        Sure, with the ways the parties are crafted at the moment, you kind of have to pick your poison. But at one point there was a financially conservative and socially liberal party. They were the republicans prior to Nixon embracing the religious right (or more accurately, the precursors of that movement).

        The party of liberal social issues was the GOP for a long time. They were in the lead for things like civil rights... until the democrats purged their dixiecrats and embraced the civil rights movement (as well as other liberal social politics). The GOP could do the same... cast off the evangelical wing entirely and become the fiscally conservative and socially liberal party they were pre-Nixon.

        April 8, 2014 at 9:39 am |
  8. The GOP Solution

    The GOP Solution: Turn all the Old, Sick, Poor, Non-white, Non-christian, Female, and Gay people into slaves. Then whip them until they are Young, Healthy, Rich, White, Christian, Male, and Straight. Or until they are dead. Then turn them into Soylent Green to feed the military during the next "unfunded/off-the-books" war. And don't forget the GOP all time favorites........TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH!!!..........and........GET RID OF SS AND MEDICARE!!!

    April 7, 2014 at 5:12 pm | Reply

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