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S.E. Cupp and Van Jones debate the crisis in Russia and Ukraine and Cupp argues former Sec. of State Hillary Clinton started this debacle.
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How about we worry about JOBS first? Maybe the IRS? I mean why is Lois Learner taking the 5th? Is she guilty of targeting Conservative groups? Who is she covering for??? How can Obama say there isn't a "smidgen" of corruption when there are still investigations going on???
What does Cupp know? She's an upstart, has no history, no work experience, nada. Everyone thinks they know more than the President.
Good bye. It's embarrassing to be engaged with a similarly powerless, partisan, biased, and ignorate group of angry arguers.
Let's be logical.
Let's look back in recent history and see if there was a foriegn policy event that was somewhat similar to what we are seeing now with Russia moving troops into a part of the Ukraine to try to annex it for their own.
Oh... wait... there was. 2008, in Georgia... where the Russians moved troops into South Ossentia (part of Georgia). And how was that handled in the US?
Our own Neville Chamberlin sent his secretary of state (Condoleeza Rice) to have Georgia sign a ceas fire (surrender) which ended up with the disputed territory firmly under Russian control.
Were sanctions imposed on Russia? Nope. What did we do?
We sent some humanitarian supplies to Georgia after the conflict was resolved. The international community laid blame for the conflict mostly on Georgia, not Russia. Russia had no loss of international standing.
Things are working out differently this time. Russia might have assumed that they'd work out the same way as the last time they pulled this stunt. But clinton wasn't secretary of state when that happened. And Obama wasn't president.
Apparently, he's taken a bit tougher stand with Russia then his predecessor... who looked into Putin's eyes and "saw his soul" and believed that he was a "good man".
And Putin felt confident enough to move troops into Georgia and kill 2000 people to take control with Bush at the helm of the United States. With Obama in control, the troops have yet to start an actual armed conflict.
Could it be Putin fears Obama's response more then he did with Bush and is trying the same thing in a more controlled way because of that?
Ms Clinton needs to go to Moscow and demand the return of the "Reset Button" she presented to the Russian Foreign Minister back in 2009. That would show everyone just how tough she is.
Yes.... if she doesn't faint first or get another blood clot!
No sweat ! Reset to Putin per Clinton is like Hitler and see China and Russian oil deal . Alan Krueger White House Council of Economic Advisors finds that increasing miin. wage does not have significant effect on unemployment. Raise min. wage but there are no jobs and now see US debt. Makes no sense on an inflated economy.
Cupp is just a token "rightie", chosen to give a semblance of balance to this debate show. I don't think she has enough credentials or credibility to be any kind of expert on diplomacy, But she is welcome to parrot Tea Party or GOP propaganda all she wants.
You can see that democrats in trouble when all they do is attack what republicans are saying. I know Jim Messina gave orders to his minions to just say word "republican" and not even respond to the actual question or problem. What talkers did not mention is how Clinton that is Billy Clinton, spit at Russia's face with fully ignoring and not once inviting Russia to try to negotiate with Yugoslavia.
Cupp is just another TEA/GOP water carrier. The fact that she appears with cancer Gingrich means she has no credablity what so ever.
Christ, if Kerry could only clean up Bush's mess! Let's start with the illegal and misrepresented invasion of Iraq that today sets the precedence and justification for Russia's invasion of Ukrain! BTW, Clinton has did a great job as Sec of State – unlike the Bush Administration clowns.
Putin's aquisition mindset (and successful implementation) began long before Hillary and Obama were in control of the US foreign relations.
Since 2000 (when Putin took control) Putin has alienated Lithuania, Poland, Estonia, Moldova, Georgia and now the Ukraine by trying to exert Russian control of their soveriegn territory, and only the Ukraine stuff has happened after Obama took office.
And every move Putin makes toward these former soviet block nations drives them more toward the west. Russia is using 1950's tactics on people with 2000's mindsets. While he can frighten and kill people... the end result will drive them towards those he wants to keep them from at a faster rate.
Putin is leaning heavily on military power in a world where financial leverage is what wins people over. There's a region regimes based on military and police control are falling where the dictatorships that use financial and religious leverage are holding strong. YOu have to win the hearts and minds in this day and age... not just cow them with fear. Russia is still trying to use fear. It can't work in the long run.
While Obama is cleaning up G. Bushes messes he created. Cupp won't talk about that, the 2 wars, biggest debt ever, worst economy in decades, loss of tens of millions of jobs. Cupp is silent on why our nation is in a mess. G. Bush anyone want him back.
Biggest debt ever? Not counting the last 5 years of course.
All you jerks still wanna blame Bush for everything.
How's about you take a look at the damage Clinton did helping Walmart export manufacturing to China,
or your newly beloved's incredible war on the middle class, crazy spending, and totalitarian style of governance.
What a one-sided crock you people are....do we ever hear of the deaths Obama's continued wars have caused or all the other little drama he's gotten into across the world. Minimize the BS of the Dems and nitpick the Repubs to death.
Sorry dude to tell you it takes more than just five years to clean up a mess that Bush did. Just try to see how long it takes a person to clean up a credit report and then compare to what Bush did to our country and you get the point. I have nothing to do with left or right thinking. However, I don't sit back and say that Bush did not cause a HUGE problem to our country – or should I say Cheney and his cabinet? Sorry if it offends you or others. Truth is truth.
Any one with a brain would take Bush over Obumbles. Who cares about Bush ?? He is gone. Ask yourself a question If Putin is like Hitler why would hilly give him a pass with the reset button ??? Are we weaker now with Obumbles ???
Did his cowering over Syrias red line make the USA look lame??? Please people think for yourselves !!!!
And so the fun begins, Kerry wants to be President and this gives him the springboard to attack the presumptive front runner Hillary. The bus is picking up steam.
I think the days of a candidate losing a general election for president and getting another shot at it are over. If I'm not mistaken, the last person to be nominated by a party and lose the general election then be nominated again was Nixon.
Kerry is not getting nominated for president again and I think he knows it. Same goes for McCain, Romney and Gore.
Our propaganda team is getting rusty. Can they at least pretend to be serious about the whole "International Law" thing? Have they not heard about the Bush Doctrine?
Bush Doctrine?!! Oh, you mean starting an unnecessary war in Iraq so he could award billions to Halliburton without them having to bid. Nice work if you can get it.
Its clear Hilly s reset button didn't work, and people want her pres ???? Its also clear we are dealing from weakness. . Syria, Russia whos next??? China, Asia, Iran ???? It is hard to conceive how our pres was at a grade school today giving speeches and slamming repubs. Maybe im missing something, but, shouldn't our pres be dealing with some real Issues?? Emp, Russia, Oblundercare ??? Jobs ??? For Gods sake you would think these people would at least get one thing right.
Smitty, in the 50s, Russia invaded Hungary and Eisehower did nothinfg. In the 70s Russia invaded Afganistan and Reagan did nothing. In 2008 Russia invaded Georgia and Bush did nothing. We're all of these exhibits of American weakness? What do you suggest other than a politically motivated talking point.
You may also recall that George Bush was in a classroom when 9/11 occurred.
Phil Varney....there was a distinct difference when Bush was in a class room....he was already there when the attacks came in.....this administration chose to address the situation from that setting.....you are being disingenuous in your comparison......although...I do think it is a proper setting from this potus to address from....because....he is being schooled by the adults in the room.....he is once again....being forced to lead from behind....his foreign policy is weak and an embarrassment...I hear so many from the left that complain about the "former" President Bush....but then use his actions to justify the choices of this administration.....if it was wrong then....why do you on the left use it as an excuse for the current guy in office?
Bobby, you make a valid point on classroom locatio. You missed the main point. Russian actions in their sphere of influence have gone largely unchecked by democrats and republicans. But, as a partisan, you can only criticize democrats as being weak. You should heck your history before coming to a conclusion that you had already reached.
Ronnie did nothing? Really. Go get a history lesson.
He funded and supported the Afghan freedom fighters for years until Russian gave up and left.
The George Jr was already fighting a war or two. You lefties already say that this was too much now you want him to fight for Georgia? Man you think you can have your cake and eat it too.
No mention of Somalia or Kosovo during Clinton I see...Hmmmmm
You are not entitled to rewrite history to your liking.
Dude, diff era with Ike, GW had 3-4mos left in office (Putin timing was perfect) He was also at the school with no crisis at the time. I can only imagine what a bummer it is to be an Obammy follower, however he is lamer than Carter. Its just been one failure after another with this cat. @ Vic, you live in New Dork, enough said!!!!
Phil....you say I am partisan....you have no idea how much I have criticized the right....there was nothing in my post defending the rights handling of these scenarios....I hear Obama supporters making claims of how much better he is than any of the republicans we have had in office....I see poor choices from both sides of the isle....I only lean toward republican because they are closer to the values and principles I believe we need than the democrats are...as far as my comments about his weakness being "once again" demonstrated.....if this had been the only fiasco?....."not the handling of it necessarily"...but the setting they chose to address it from......there is no perception of strength from that venue....when you couple that with the Syrian situation, Egypt, Bengazi, and the list could go on......sadly....he leads from this idealistic viewpoint that everyone should view things as he and his ideology cohorts see things.....he thinks he can just have talks and get things done....there are other Nations out there that hate us....trying to appease them demonstrates to them that we are weak.....they only understand strength.....if you are unable to see that.....then you and I are probably fairly far apart in our assessment of things......the agenda the left is pushing is not one of prosperity.....it may sound good in theory....but it is not sustainable......and....if you support this administration......can you seriously say you are ok with how they have misled the American public over and over again?......if you are like many on the left....they can justify anything as long as it has a "D" attached to it......Sir....I merely pointed out that you tried, as I see many do....justify Obamas actions while pointing out that those that came before him did it...so what is the big deal....I was raised on a small Family farm in rural Arkansas....and we had a saying growing up........two wrongs do not make a right.....Sir...I am an equal opportunity presenter of the flawed choices from both side of the isle....your off handed attempt at saying I had already come to a conclusion without knowing history was a presumption on your part....I know history quite well.....and Sir...if you do?...and are unwilling to see the direction this administration is attempting to lead this Nation.....then that might just make you partisan?.....
Hey Smitty, what's really clear is that genetically defective, treasonous, Right Wing wackos represent a clear and emminent danger to our country. Just wish our President were willing to start the round-up!
Psst...the Right winger's aren't the wackos. They just think that people should be able to defend their families and property.
The crazies are the lib who think you should let criminal out back into society and not allow people to protect themselves...those are the nutballs.
Obumbles couldn't even open a web site. What is treasonous is him. Cant wait til the IRS scandal leads to him and hes impeached. That will have some great Nielson ratings !!!! LOL
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Author, documentary filmmaker, historian, Speaker of the House (1995-1999), and 2012 Republican presidential candidate
Fmr. Obama Deputy Campaign Mgr. and W.H. Sr. Adviser, founder of Precision Strategies, fmr. Sr. Adviser to Maj. Leader Reid and Sen. Kennedy
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Former Special Adviser for Green Jobs under President Obama, co-founder of Rebuild the Dream, author and attorney
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