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January 8th, 2014
09:00 PM ET

Should the minimum wage be increased?

In the Final Question, hosts Stephanie Cutter and S.E. Cupp ask our guests, Reps. Donna Edwards (D-MD) and Mick Mulvaney (R-SC) if they are in favor of raising the minimum wage. Watch how they respond.

Who do you agree with? Do you think it should be raised?

soundoff (55 Responses)
  1. Pat

    If american means to retain any degree of pride, and global admiration, most certainly the minimum wage is a part of what sets it apart from the sea of people elsewhere. Why wouldn't we, if that is what helps to retain that economic dominance that prevents other nations from taking her over as occurred when Bzantines were displaced by the Ottomans when Istanbul went Muslim, not Christian. There is no reason to believe that America is not just another vulnerable place on the planet with unregulated immigration. Dumb ape mentality by Congress without knowledge of world history can make America far more vulnerable than other nations waging war. Losing a country by accident would be a shame, and pretty stupid!

    April 12, 2014 at 5:59 am | Reply
  2. David

    I think the minimum wage should be raised just enough to make these people ineligible for public assistance. Right now the taxpayers are subsidizing these companies wages which is an outrage. Raise the minimum just enough to get the workers off public assistance but not to the level of a living wage. Living wages are for skilled and educated workers who took the time to obtain skills and work their way through school.

    January 18, 2014 at 5:49 pm | Reply
  3. Snoopy

    We do NOT need to raise the minimum wage. We have already "priced" our self out of many jobs. Since the minimum wage has increased , many other nations like china have taken our jobs because of corporate greed and cheaper labor which generates more money in the pockets of the rich.. When the minimum wage is increased, the price of everything goes up. There was a story on yahoo news about a year ago stating that a group in California was wanting the minimum wage increased to $10.50 /hr. It said in that article "the increase would generate $1800 in taxes" from each person. In this scenario, it would give the stupid feds more money to waste. The United States has already dropped in the production of exports. We are on the brink of "NOT" producing enough exports now. If we do not have exports(sales) to other countries, we are not making money and will therefore FAIL !! A country can not and will not survive without means of supporting itself by means of "sales" to other countries ( consumer) > If you don't believe me , take a look back in history, the Spaniards had control of much of the territory in the new world. The only thing that kept them here any length of time was they used gold and silver to do their trading with other countries. When the gold and silver "ran out", the Spaniards did not produce anything for trade. Because of this and the English defeating the Spanish Armada, Spain lost it's hold on American soil. Another system of wages needs to be implemented, one that competes with wages in other countries so that jobs will remain here. Because politicians want brownie points with the people , they will raise the minimum wage and will not consider the consequences. Think People THINK !!!!

    January 11, 2014 at 7:20 pm | Reply
  4. Robert Wallace

    I agree with the idea that minimum wage should be indexed. I disagree however with the purpose of the national minimum wage. I lived in MS for 7 years…the national minimum wage is sufficient to provide the necessities in life in MS. The national wage should set a floor, and states can continue to raise or lower their minimum wage based on the needs of their citizens. For example, the DC cost of living is 200% the cost of living in MS. The lower wages in less developed locations permit those places to compete for business relocations and new ventures based on price. The new business increases job opportunities, increases wages, jump starts new training and education and raises the standard of living for these communities. A national wage set for the highest cost of living locations will undermine the ability of these lower cost of living locations to attract jobs and to improve their quality of life.

    January 11, 2014 at 12:05 pm | Reply
    • Tom McConnell

      No disagreement from me.  I agree with everything you said.  BUT I do think it should be indexed off the House.  Then the money people will keep them in check. 

      I also think that business should have a limit of what a CEO can earn.  If my memory serves me right, in Japan the CEO can only make 100 times what the lowest person in his employ can earn. 

      January 12, 2014 at 8:21 pm | Reply
  5. Robert Wallace

    I agree with the idea of indexing to inflation; however, I'm less comfortable with the idea of raising the national minimum wage. A person can live in MS on a modest minimum wage salary. Different areas of the country have different costs of living…DC for example is 200% more expensive than Biloxi, MS. Local wages encourage businesses to establish or relocate themselves in less developed locations, which leads to more jobs and as a result of competition higher wages and improved local economic and social conditions. The move to increase the national wage discourages the price competition states can use to increase the standard of living for their citizens. States should take the lead to define their own minimum wage over and above the national minimum wage if it is inappropriate for their citizens/cost of living.

    January 11, 2014 at 11:59 am | Reply
    • jason d

      Do you make min. Wage at this point of your life, or do u own your own business

      January 13, 2014 at 4:34 am | Reply
  6. CALIFORNIA

    How does one accomplish INCOME EQUALITY for all? That would in fact stifle ingenuity on a massive scale.

    January 10, 2014 at 5:38 pm | Reply
    • Kurt

      Nobody is arguing for income equality, so much as avoiding an INCREASE in income inequality.

      In 1979, the bottom 20% of income earners made 20.2 thousand dollars a year (inflation adjusted to 2011 dollars). In 2011... they make the same amount.

      The median in 1979 was 47.5K. In 2011 it was 50K. A 5% increase.

      The top 20% was at 83.7K in 1979 and 101.5K in 2011. 21% increase.

      Top 5% was at 135.3K in 1979 and 186K in 2011. 37% increase.

      So... the bottom 20% have gained NO increase in income since 1979, the median has gotten a 5% increas and the top income earners have taken most of the increase in real wealth in our country over that time frame.

      Nobody is saying that everyone should make the same amount. But they are saying that if our country is bringing in more, the top shouldn't get all of that increase. A somewhat equal percentage of it should go to those at the bottom as well. If the top 1% are making 20% more over a given time... the middle and bottom should at least be in the 15% increase range... not at 5% and 0% respectively.

      January 13, 2014 at 9:34 am | Reply
  7. Redfan

    All min wage increase will do is hurt the middle class more than help the middle class and it will help the rich get richer. Wish people would start to use a little common sence on all this. What happens when a business starts to loose profits and the poor get more money in their pockets? They will raise prices on everything. Which in turn will put the poor right back were they are and weaking the middle class because now they wont have as much disposible income to invest. Now the great leaders that are for this ask yourself this why do you really think that they want this? To me people like obama, pelosi, hillary, or any other democrat are just as greedy if not greddier than the republicans.

    January 9, 2014 at 9:33 pm | Reply
    • Tom from Canonsburg

      There are no indications that the people you mention as being greedier than the GOP. Not saying that the GOP is necessarily greedy. I will grant you that many in political power are greedy, but usually that is the greed for power. All of those you mention have more indicators that they lean towards equality for others. A community organizer and professor, even at Harvard, doesn't indicate greed.

      Greed is what capitalism is based upon, the natural impulse of greed in mankind.

      January 19, 2014 at 6:39 am | Reply
  8. Ed

    First the minimum wage should be increased. What is lost in the discussion of minimum wage or the larger discussion of income inequality is that supply-side economics (trickle down economics) is a dismal failure. Corporate and individual tax policy put into place by successive Republican administrations and congress based on the supply-side economics model is suppose to increase corporate profits and increase high income private individual wealth and these in turn will increase investment in job creating businesses. Well guess what corporate profits are at an all time high while wealth of the top 2% continues to grow. So the reasonable question to any supply-sider is where are all the jobs, why don't corporations like McDonalds distribute some of their record profits to their employs in the form of higher wages. Clearly this would benefit society and the economy as a whole by increasing the demand for products they themselves, so why not? My answer is that it goes against human nature to act on one level to concentrate on profit and wealth accumulation and then consciously redistribute some of that wealth to the society and individuals that helped create that wealth and profits. This why governments are need to use policies that insure that a fraction of wealth is recoiled through the system to keep it going. One of the policies that des this is the minimum wage.

    January 9, 2014 at 7:00 pm | Reply
    • Zondar

      Your justification for raising the minimum wage is that corporate profits are high and corporations aren't 'sharing' the profits with employees.

      Who exactly do you think pays for the increase in the minimum wage? Do you think the company will pay for those increased costs by cutting profits? Or do you think they will raise the price of their good or service to cover the cost of the wage increase?

      I'll give you one guess, and it has nothing to do with corporate profits.

      Your justification doesn't match your outcome. If you want to limit corporate profits, write a bill that limits how many dollars or what percentage of total revenue a company can make it profits. But you and I both know that will never pass.

      January 10, 2014 at 6:54 am | Reply
    • maria travasso

      You have made a real good point . The people who are against the minimum wage seems to be greedy people. The only
      want to make profit for themselves and for the big companies. every body should get a fair percent of their
      hard work. Government should raise the minimum wage and should even make policies which regulate the wealth
      of the rich class to use it in creating jobs. Also Government should make a minimum labour policies for the companies ,in
      that case they don't over load their employers with work. If government can teach us safety policies like wearing a seat belt or helmet for our benefit why not raise minimum wage that will enable us to work 40 hours and have leisure time
      like playing basketball or going to park ,spending valuable time with children etc.,instead of looking for second and third job to make the both ends meet.

      February 24, 2014 at 11:45 pm | Reply
  9. GetReal

    The solution is to raise the minimum wage and pay for it from taxing corporations that are making huge profits from outsourcing, government subsidies, tax loopholes, etc. If they have to pay for those of whom they victimize, it will make better sense for them to hire workers instead of subsidizing the unemployed and impoverished they have created. These corporations are already succeeding by squeezing the 99%, either through exploiting their workforce or overcharging for their products or services. So, it is time for them to pay their piper.

    January 9, 2014 at 5:17 pm | Reply
    • Jarred McCorvey

      I agree!

      January 9, 2014 at 5:24 pm | Reply
  10. Timmy Suckle

    I kissed my way up to VP at a health insurance company. Now I take over $600,000 of your health care dollars for NO VALUE ADDED to your health care. And that’s just me. Now think about how many other VPs, Directors, Managers, etc. are at my company alone. Now multiply that by thousands of others at hundreds of other health insurance companies. From 10 to 25% of your health care dollars go towards administration that adds NO VALUE to your health care. But my company’s PAC dollars will continue to fool you little people into thinking that a single payer system will be bad. Little people like you are so easy to fool. Little people also don’t realize that a single payer system is the ONLY system that would allow little people (as an entire country) to negotiate better health care prices. Little people don’t realize that the Medical Cartels already know that. And that is the reason why the Medical Cartels spend so much PAC money from the hospitals and doctors lobbying against a single payer system. Some little people say that a single payer system would cost you little people more. But if that were true, then wouldn’t the hospitals and doctors WANT that extra money? Yes they would. So why do the Medical Cartels lobby against a single payer system? It’s because the Medical Cartels know it would allow little people to negotiate better health care prices. And that’s what the Medical Cartels are afraid of. Period.
    But us big wigs at insurance companies, hospitals, and pharmacy companies don’t ever need to worry about health care no matter what it costs. We get our health care paid for one way or another by you little people. And we get the little people that work at our companies to contribute to our PACs. And us big wigs say it’s to protect the little peoples’ jobs. But in reality it would be in the little peoples’ best interest to NOT contribute to the PAC. Again, little people are so easily fooled. I won’t ever have to worry about losing my job with so many little people being brain washed by the Medical Cartels’ PAC money. Not only that, the Medical Cartels’ PAC money is used to elect so many republicans that will never allow a single payer system. Republicans have always fought against any meaningful health care reform. But that’s what our Medical Cartels’ PACs pay them for. Politicians can be bought so easily.
    Pretty soon the only people that will be able to afford health care is us big wigs. And that’s the way it should be. We don’t want you little people using up the resources when we need them. And once again, I thank you little people for capping my SS tax at the $113,700 level. Now I only pay 1.2% SS tax and you little people pay 6.2%. Also, thank you for extending my tax breaks. I’m using the extra money on my vacation houses.

    January 9, 2014 at 3:53 pm | Reply
    • GetReal

      Awesome post, Timmy! You made my day!

      January 9, 2014 at 5:03 pm | Reply
    • John Purple

      I'm not amazed anymore at how stupid people can be.

      January 9, 2014 at 5:03 pm | Reply
  11. Jon Hawk

    Min. wage jobs were supposed to be for high kids to give them help in seeing how important a education is and not to support families. Raising the min. wage will only be passed on to the buyer, who is getting tired of paying more for less......

    January 9, 2014 at 12:59 pm | Reply
    • Linda b.

      If minimum wage is the answer, it would have been solved by the demo(n)crats in the 60s when they increased it to $1.25.
      It didn't work then and I predict it won't work now. But it will sound good, buy votes of the ignorant and get us away from talking about the obamacare fiasco with Obama's lies and Hillary's Benghazi.

      January 9, 2014 at 4:06 pm | Reply
      • Jarred McCorvey

        I have taken a couple of economic classes and if I can recall correctly, when the minimum wage was increased so the quality of life.

        January 9, 2014 at 5:50 pm |
    • GetReal

      Low wages means that taxpayer subsidize the impoverished through healthcare, food stamps, tax deductions, etc. Foreclosures devalue entire neighborhoods. In other words, taxpayers are indirectly subsidizing the corporations that underpay their employees.
      On the other hand, higher wages increase spending so local businesses and our general economy benefit. Higher wages equal more tax revenue, which lowers our national debt.
      Lower wages = everyone loses.
      Higher wages = everyone wins.

      January 9, 2014 at 5:54 pm | Reply
    • Mike

      I love how people use the excuse that the cost will be passed on to the consumer as if prices aren't going to rise anyways. The fact is prices are going up no matter what you pay the poor. Simple economics should tell us that giving minimum wage workers more to spend is actually good for the economy. Also the tired lie of only high school students being the worker has been disproved as the median age is now closer to thirty than twenty. More families are depending on minimum wage jobs than ever before or can only be hired as temps and let go after 90 days or kept on as a temp for 5 yrs while some multi-million dollar corporation takes close to half of their wages. It's as if you think these people are going to take all this extra cash and hide it under their mattress. When you only take home 300 dollars a week there is no such thing as savings. You live check to check hoping you don’t get sick or laid off because it’s usually a razor thin line between getting by and being homeless. The buying power of minimum wage is lower than it has been since the 70s. I’ll bet the same people that are against a raise for minimum wage expect one. Try living on minimum wage yourself before doing what you can to keep the poor people where they belong.

      January 11, 2014 at 1:08 am | Reply
  12. Kurt

    If we are going to have a minimum wage, it should be indexed (simlar to how benefits for social security are indexed).

    Right now a full time job (40 hours a week, 50 weeks a year) at 8 dollars an hour is 16,000 dollars a year. Regardless if the curret level is determined by congress to be appropriate, or if 10 or 15 dollars an hour is appropriate, the number needs to be indexed so that it rises and falls with cost of living.

    It would be good to have that conversation now. Choose the baseline. Set the index. Then we don't have to have conversations going forward as frequently.

    January 9, 2014 at 11:16 am | Reply
    • Tom from Canonsburg

      We should base it on a percent of what a Congressman makes. Say for example, 10 or 12%. In that way every time Congress thinks they need a cost of living increase, those minimum wage earners also get the same percent increase. The people at the bottom always feel the cost of living increases before anyone.

      There is a problem with just increasing the amount. That's the greed of the vendors. When I was in the Navy, every time we got a cost of living increase, all of the vendors would increase their prices about a month before. They had to get a good bite out of your finances.

      January 9, 2014 at 12:08 pm | Reply
    • John Purple

      You offer no justification for your assumption that minimum wage has to be a livable wage.

      January 9, 2014 at 5:05 pm | Reply
      • GetReal

        What kind of person needs justification for ensuring that people make a sustainable living in exchange for 40 hours of their lives per week? Ever heard of the phrase, "I have to work for a living." or "making a livable wage"?
        I hope no one wastes their life working for you.

        January 9, 2014 at 5:38 pm |
      • basedonfact

        I have never seen a legitimate argument for ANY job NOT offering a living wage. If your business can't run without paying it's employees below poverty wages it really should be allowed to die

        January 12, 2014 at 8:32 pm |
      • Tom McConnell

        Agreed.

        January 13, 2014 at 7:40 pm |
  13. Jarred McCorvey

    That is a good idea, to generate revenue, but the way stated above "By bringing back businesses and jobs back into America". That would be nice in a perfect world but that is no longer realistic. If this were to actually happen, I think it would be another case of CEO's CFO's and people of high positions having large bonuses and salary increases, and the actually employes would see little to no change in their situation. The way to bring back big business back into the states that are currently overseas would be to offer those businesses and corporations large incentives, incentives that would cost the average American and increase their tax burden. Lets face it, any large company that is currently active overseas for large amounts of production and labor have no need to return that portion of their business back into the U.S. because the costs would be greater for them. And they don't want that. I think it is as simple as raising minimum wages to something reasonable, within the $10-$11 range. this is something that would allow a family of lower class to become more capable to provide for an actual family and not rely on government welfare programs like food stamps. To spread equality throughout America is through the redistribution of wealth and a way we can achieve that is through wages.

    January 9, 2014 at 11:05 am | Reply
    • Mdap90

      I disagree put a HUGE tariff on goods coming into this country to offset the cost of companies that are based in the U.S. have to deal with labor laws, EPA, higher wages ect. Make it more cost effective for these companies to move back to the U.S. than overseas Also people in the US have to pony up and pay a few dollars more for products that are made in the U.S.

      January 9, 2014 at 2:29 pm | Reply
      • Jarred McCorvey

        I understand where your coming from but I don't think that increasing tariffs on imports would move corporations back to the U.S. I think that an increase in tariffs would only increase the the cost of imported goods and also decrease trade with other countries, and I believe that that would also result in an increase on domestic products. With less trade, that eliminates some options for the buyer and decreases competition so where sellers aren't pushed to seek a better product at affordable prices. But lets face it American have already been paying more for less, so I'm pretty sure the majority of Americans want to pay more for the necessitates of living, and for many other consumer goods.

        January 9, 2014 at 3:37 pm |
      • ProtectAmericanJobs

        Mdap90 – I agree

        And I've already debunked Jarred McCorvey's shortsighted thinking in my comments below.

        The American People need to just trust their own instincts, common sense and what they've seen actually going on all around them versus all of the nonsense that the free-traitors are still trying to sell us.

        January 11, 2014 at 11:58 am |
  14. Minnie Mouse

    The minimum wages need to be raised in all states but not to the ridiculous amount of $15 an hour. Who's going to pay someone one $15 an hour for flipping hamburgers or passing fries, bags of food and drinks out a drive thru window.

    I think $9 to $10 hourly with increasing .50 yearly, instead of all at one time until the new minimum wage is hit. A law needs to be passed to make all employers pay all employees a cost of living wage yearly. regardless to what the wage is. These same employers need to be lawed to provided some form of yearly or quarterly bonus depending on what the profits are to show appreciation to the employees.

    January 9, 2014 at 11:01 am | Reply
    • Kurt

      The .50 yearly is a bigger deal then the 15 dollar an hour would be.

      That's way above inflation. IF you started at 10, it would be 15 in just 10 years.

      Set it at whatever... 10, 12, 15... whatever number is deemed appropriate. Then just index it to inflation the same way social security is.

      January 9, 2014 at 2:33 pm | Reply
      • ProtectAmericanJobs

        We can't just raise the minimum wage unless we start improving the overall business environment and employment picture. Especially not to the $15/hr. that some people were throwing out there.

        You have fix the root of the problem first, which is that over the last 25-years, our government has allowed our country's industries to get sucked out to China, India, Mexico, etc and allowed illegal aliens and H-1B foreigners to come into our country and take away tax-paying Americans jobs and drive down prices and wages.

        That's where our government leaders have to step up and put some sensible measures and incentives in place to keep jobs here in the USA or the real economy and infrastructure of the country we love will be destroyed along with the future of the American people.

        The Citizens of the United States of America need our elected leaders from both parties to start working together to actually start trying to fix the real problems in our country like "out-sourcing", illegal immigration, the out of control costs of health care insurance and our reliance on foreign fuel.

        It's hard enough to stay in business and make any profit nowadays and take care of our hard working conscientious employees.

        I've been running a business where we haven't been able to our raise prices or wages for several years, because of what our leaders have allowed to happen to our country. Most small to medium size businesses are just struggling to survive.

        I run a business with 20 employees, all of whom earn well more than minimum wage, but it isn't so easy.

        I feel very strongly about what our leaders have allowed to happen to our country and the American people.

        I think that it actually borders on being traitorous.

        I care about my employees and our company as do many other employers in this country.

        It's important that we get our message out there, because when you write to the GOP, DNC, The White House, governors, senators and congressmen you just get generic responses for the most part and they just keep on with the same old same old.

        We need a voice.

        I'm Angry and Frustrated with Both Parties – As are most American Citizens right now!

        It's very important that we continually become the unsilent majority until our message is heard and they actually start putting in some sensible measures in to stem the tide.

        Otherwise this is going to continue to have a devastating effect on America and the American citizens.

        January 11, 2014 at 11:36 am |
  15. pjoe

    Republicans should put Democrats on defensive. Democrats want $10 an hour. Republicans should insist on $50 an hour.

    January 9, 2014 at 9:50 am | Reply
    • Kurt

      And when the Democrats say "Okay, if that's what you want we're game"... what will the GOP do? Pass the law?

      January 9, 2014 at 11:08 am | Reply
      • pjoe

        Sure. Why not?

        January 10, 2014 at 12:47 am |
    • GetReal

      Let's all just get crazy, pjoe. That'll teach 'em.

      January 9, 2014 at 5:25 pm | Reply
  16. ProtectAmericanJobs

    We can't just raise the minimum wage unless we start improving the overall business environment and employment picture. Especially not to the $15/hr. that some people were throwing out there.

    The ONLY REAL FIX for our great country is to RAISE REVENUE, by Bringing Back Businesses and Jobs to TAX-PAYING AMERICAN CITIZENS.

    The lack of businesses and good jobs in the USA is what's really going to rob us, our children, grand children and great grand children of the potential of a prosperous future.

    It's all happened because, over the last 25-years, our government has allowed our country's industries to get sucked out to China, India, Mexico, etc and allowed illegal aliens and H-1B foreigners to come into our country and take away tax-paying Americans jobs and drive down prices and wages.

    That's where our government leaders have to step up and put some sensible measures and incentives in place to keep jobs here in the USA or the real economy and infrastructure of the country we love will be destroyed along with the future of the American people.

    I've been running a business where we haven't been able to our raise prices or wages for several years, because of what our leaders have allowed to happen to our country. Most small to medium size businesses are just struggling to survive.

    I run a business with 20 employees, all of whom earn well more than minimum wage, but it isn't so easy.

    It's all happened because, over the last 25-years, our government has allowed our country's industries to get sucked out to China, India, Mexico, etc and allowed illegal aliens and H-1B foreigners to come into our country and take away tax-paying Americans jobs and drive down prices and wages.

    It's hard enough to stay in business and make any profit nowadays and take care of our hard working conscientious employees. I believe that our cross-trained employees are our company's most important asset. We have every little turn over in our company. But if I advertise one job opening (all of which are well over the minimum wage), I'd have dozens upon dozens of qualified people and some over qualified people clamoring for the job and almost all of them would be happy to come in for less than they were making, just to have a steady job. But these people and myself are just struggling to keep up with our mortgages, kids student loans, health-care coverage............etc..............

    The American people need our leaders to wake up and start putting some sensible measures in place to stem the tide or this is going to continue to have a devastating effect on the United States of America and the American people.

    We'd really all be better off by just cutting through the all the my team vs your team name calling nonsense and really focus on America and improving the future of the American people.

    Once they're elected, our leaders should be working together for the good of the our country and our citizens by using combinations of the best ideas from both sides versus just trying to make the other side look bad so they lose the next election. – How's that been working?

    It's not too late – But it will be soon – If our leaders don't start changing their ways.

    Wouldn't we be better off if Our Elected Leaders Started Working Together as AMERICANS for AMERICANS and AMERICA, instead of just bickering, stalling and posturing for the next election as democrats and republicans/tea-whatevers! The American People have had it with this unproductive BS! The way that both parties having been operating for years just stinks! Neither party has really been looking out for the best interests of the US Citizens who elect them and who they're supposed to represent.

    The Citizens of the United States of America need our elected leaders from both parties to start working together to actually start trying to fix the real problems in our country like "out-sourcing", illegal immigration, the out of control costs of health care insurance and our reliance on foreign fuel.

    Fix them together as Americans! – Because united we'll stand, but divided we'll

    January 9, 2014 at 8:47 am | Reply
    • ProtectAmericanJobs

      fall.

      January 9, 2014 at 8:49 am | Reply
    • Jon Hawk

      Americans should not be fighting against each other.........its kinda hard too see who is a "real" American. I feel that's where some of our problems come from.

      January 9, 2014 at 1:18 pm | Reply
    • joe

      stop crying you are living in a global economy people want more for less its not happening stop[ blaming other countries for our failures

      January 10, 2014 at 4:29 pm | Reply
      • ProtectAmericanJobs

        Joe (Free-Traitor, Foreigner or Wall-Streeter) – Tell what part of this you don't understand?

        The American People need Our Leaders to start remembering that they are elected by the Citizens of the United States of America to represent the interests of those citizens and the country itself.

        They are NOT elected by or to represent the Global Market Place, Lobbyist or Foreign citizens!

        That whole frigging shortsighted Wall Street mentality from the 1980's to the present has been what has destroyed the Real American Economy and the future of the American people.

        We all would've been better off right now if Ross Perot had won in 1992. I and many other people, who were able to see through all of the left vs right BS, did vote for Perot, because he was straight forward and just used common sense. He cared about his country and the American people.

        The cold, hard truth is that the unholy alliance between Washington and Wall Street has sold out the American worker and exported our standard of living.

        Driven by the insatiable greed of Wall Street profiteers and accelerated by the false promise of free trade, our manufacturing base has been chased out of this country and along with it the livelihood of millions of hard-working Americans.

        It's fashionable these days among the politicians, pundits and so-called experts to claim that free trade is actually good for us. They say it enables us to buy cheaper goods made with cheap foreign labor and this, in turn, raises our standard of living.

        The free traitors need to ask themselves a more fundamental question: How will Americans buy those goods when they don't even have a paycheck that covers their mortgage, much less the college tuition for their children?

        We need to bring back Glass-Steagall and start standing up to the WTO.

        Tariffs don't work, if we don't use them. We could have proportionally decreased and monitored them rather than just eliminating them altogether, which just allowed the floodgates to pop wide open.

        Humm – Let me guess – Oh, here comes the Old Tariffs = Socialism / Trade war BS – Sorry, they're right removing them has worked out so well for the American People and the Real American Economy.

        Foreign Lobbyists here in the US promote sending US jobs to countries like China, where they work for slave wages, no benefits, no OSHA safety standards or no real environment regulations. It also doesn't help us compete when these company's factories are subsidized by China's communist government. Just check out the current Chinese extreme pollution issues – We all live in the same world, but not every country plays by the same rules.

        The so called "Global Market Place" is not a level playing field. Companies may have made higher profits by "out sourcing", but they've been putting middle class Americans who are a good part of the world's customer base out of work.

        The American people need American leaders who will start putting some sensible measures in place to stem the tide or this is going to continue to have a devastating effect on the United States of America and the American people.

        January 10, 2014 at 7:20 pm |
      • ProtectAmericanJobs

        On the US Department of Commerce's US Census Bureau website there's a graphic showing how our trade imbalance has gotten progressively worse over the entire period from 1989 to the present and how it's really accelerated at an increasingly greater rate each year since 1999.

        We can thank "our leaders" from both sides and the WTO for that.

        See for yourself: www(dot)census(dot)gov(slash)foreign-trade(slash)balance(slash)c0004(dot)html

        Check it out and figure it out for yourself.

        If these "free trade" agreements were so good us, why did our trade deficit keep getting larger and larger during this span of time.

        Increasingly way more money going out of our country every year versus coming in every year.

        It's not rocket science.

        January 10, 2014 at 7:24 pm |
      • ProtectAmericanJobs

        While our politicians have been bickering for years like idiotic fools, China has been crushing the USA in an economic war that we don't even know we're in and without even firing a shot.

        Bringing manufacturing back home to the USA is going to end up being not only a key to restoring our economy, but to maintaining our national security as well.

        * Chinese firms and state agencies have been implicated in a host of hacking attacks, on targets ranging from leading industrial and technology firms, to the Pentagon and other US government agencies, to the New York Times, Coca-Cola and numerous other companies and industries.

        * Oct 2012: The U.S. House of Representatives Intelligence Committee said U.S. telecommunications operators should not be allowed do business with China's top network equipment makers because potential Chinese state influence on the companies poses a security threat.

        * Also most counterfeit goods are produced and manufactured in China, making it the counterfeit capital of the world. In fact, the counterfeiting industry accounts for 8% of China's GDP.

        * Foreign Lobbyists here in the US promote sending US jobs to countries like China, where they work for slave wages, no benefits, no OSHA safety standards or no real environment regulations. It also doesn't help us compete when these company's factories are subsidized by China's communist government. Just check out the current Chinese extreme pollution issues – We all live in the same world, but not every country plays by the same rules.

        The so called "Global Market Place" is not a level playing field. Companies may have made higher profits by "out sourcing", but they've been putting middle class Americans who are a good part of the world's customer base out of work. I'm not a lefty or member of any union. I run a business that employs over 20 people and produces products that are purchased by customers that do manufacturing and packaging. I'm just an average Joe, but I've been saying this for more than 15 years now. If I can see it, so can our so called leaders (political leaders) who are beholden to the same people who are exporting our jobs.

        Bringing manufacturing back to the US not only gives jobs to the US citizens who would be working in those manufacturing facilities, but to the people that would be working in the businesses that would spring up all around them. This should also include the safe harvesting, production and distribution of our own natural energy here in the USA, rather than paying for fuel from countries where they hate us. Let's keep that money and those jobs here in the US.

        Our leaders need to start remembering that they are elected by the Citizens of the United States of America to represent the interests of those citizens and the country itself. – They are NOT elected by or to represent the Global Market Place, Lobbyist or Foreign citizens!

        The ONLY REAL FIX for Our Country is to Raise Revenue by Bringing Back Jobs to Tax-Paying US Citizens.

        Our leaders better wake up and put some sensible measures in to stem the tide or this is going to have a devastating effect on America and the American citizens.

        The bottom line is that "Our Government" has to protect domestic industry and the jobs that those industries provide. If they do that, the rest will take care of itself.

        We may have to pay a bit more for products made here in the USA by US citizens, but at least we'll still have jobs and a future for our children.

        January 10, 2014 at 7:25 pm |
      • ProtectAmericanJobs

        It's obvious that over the last 2-3 decades that both parties have been selling out the bulk of the American citizens, who they're supposed to represent, by allowing the incursion of illegal aliens (cheap labor) and the "out-sourcing" floodgates to open wider and wider without taking any sensible measures to stem the tide.

        The outsourcing is not just limited to unskilled and skilled blue-collar manufacturing jobs either. It's also impacting white-collar jobs like, plant managers, engineers, IT jobs, purchasing, customer service, etc........... being outsourced to India, China................. When will it stop?

        Just the other day a friend that works in the IT department of a major paint company found out that 90% of their IT department in the USA is being laid off and will be replaced by IT techs in India. He has until February and he's gone, but not until he helps train and transition the job to those that are replacing him.

        This summer I learned from a highly educated engineer that their company had recently displaced 100 of their 105 engineers here in the USA by replacing them with engineers in India. He was fortunate enough to be one of the 5 out 105 American engineers that they kept.

        Foreigners will be coming here and buying our houses after we all foreclose. They'll also be taking over our government too, after it defaults from lack income tax revenue, due to businesses in the USA shutting down and or US jobs being outsourced and everyone being out of work.

        Our leaders better wake up and put some sensible measures in to stem the tide or this is going to have a devastating effect on America and the American citizens.

        This is eventually going to effect even the few idiotic Americans who are still championing outsourcing.

        January 10, 2014 at 7:27 pm |
      • ProtectAmericanJobs

        I'm sure that there cheaper qualified Wall-Streeters and CEOs in China, India, etc............. as well.

        Coming to a town near you – Correction going to another country far-far-away from you. (That is, if you are an American)

        Please come up with a better strategy that'll work out better for all Americans.

        January 10, 2014 at 7:38 pm |
      • ProtectAmericanJobs

        Can the Real American Economy and the American People bounce from all the stupid traitorous nonsense from the last 2-3 decades?

        Unfortunately most of our politicians are joke – Only it's not so funny, because over the past several decades, all they've been doing is screwing the American people, by stalling, spending, removing protections and allowing illegal aliens to continue to pour in and American jobs and industry to pour out, and all while collecting their American tax-payer funded pay checks, benefits and whatever else they get on the side from their various lobbyist friends.

        It seems to me that over the last 2-3 decades that both parties were always able to distract and polarize voters with insignificant peripheral BS, which get's most voters so caught up in the BS that they lose sight of the bigger picture.

        We'd really all be better off by just cutting through the BS and all the my team vs your team name calling nonsense and really focus on America and improving the future of the American people.

        Once they're elected, our leaders should be working together for the good of the our country and our citizens by using combinations of the best ideas from both sides versus just trying to make the other side look bad so they lose the next election. – How's that been working?

        All the nonsense just allows the puppet-masters to continue to do what's best for them at the expense of the American people while we're polarized and distracted.

        But, let's face it – Neither party is actually running our country – Powerful puppet-masters play both sides to make sure that they get what they want. Unfortunately what they want is not usually in the best interest of the majority of the American people. (American citizens)

        Foreign Lobbyists here in the US promote sending US jobs to countries like China, where they work for slave wages, no benefits, no OSHA safety standards or no real environment regulations. It also doesn't help us compete when these company's factories are subsidized by China's communist government. Just check out the current Chinese extreme pollution issues – We all live in the same world, but not every country plays by the same rules.

        The so called "Global Market Place" is not a level playing field. Companies may have made higher profits by "out sourcing", but they've been putting middle class Americans who are a good part of the world's customer base out of work.

        The American people need American leaders who will start putting some sensible measures in place to stem the tide or this is going to continue to have a devastating effect on the United States of America and the American people.

        Aren't there at least a handful of these powerful puppet-masters that are fellow Americans with enough of a conscience, guts and loyalty to America and their fellow Americans to start trying to turn this trend around?

        If there aren't any, we're screwed.

        The bottom line is that "Our Government" has to protect domestic industry and the jobs that those industries provide. If they do that, the rest will take care of itself.

        January 10, 2014 at 7:42 pm |
      • ProtectAmericanJobs

        I'm done crying now Joe.

        January 10, 2014 at 7:43 pm |
    • Mike

      I agree with much of what you say. You pay your workers over minimum wage. If other’s did so then there would be more money flowing into the economy. The last 25 years have seen the shrinking of the middle class. That means less money to buy your product and less profit. I am someone who watched his wages go from 25 plus dollars an hour(Operating Engineer) to less than 8(factory parts worker temp). Most jobs in my area will only hire through temp agencies. I have worked on a line where I made 60 parts/hour. Even if I get paid .25 per part I am a small dent in a part that I had to pay 170.00 to buy at a junkyard for my own car. To put that in perspective for you that is more than half a week’s wages for someone who made hundreds of the same parts every day. I have no problem with the company I work for making a profit. Where I get offended is when they don’t want to pay enough for most families working for them to get off food stamps.
      Even in a global economy the best way to create more American jobs is to make it an inside job. If all companies were paying a living wage that would create a customer base right here in America. That would also take some of the burden off of companies like yours that does pay over minimum wage. The cost of living is going up even if we don’t raise the minimum wage. The only difference is many people cannot afford to live and become consumers themselves.
      It sucks to work your butt off all week hoping your car doesn’t break down because you can’t afford to buy the parts you make and will lose your job if it does. Most of the people I worked with were on food stamps and some of them were working their 5th year as a temp or as the company called them contract employees.
      I doubt it is a coincidence that the economy is so rough at the same time the middle class is in decline.

      January 11, 2014 at 3:14 am | Reply
  17. michele

    should we breathe

    January 8, 2014 at 10:23 pm | Reply
    • ProtectAmericanJobs

      Ah yes!

      January 9, 2014 at 8:49 am | Reply

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