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The economy in the Crossfire
December 30th, 2013
05:48 PM ET

The economy in the Crossfire

A soaring stock market, minimum wage wars, and 1.3 million Americans dumped from unemployment benefits.

In the Crossfire tonight, Republican strategist Kevin Madden and Democratic strategist Hilary Rosen join S.E. Cupp and guest host Howard Dean for a debate. Which party wins when the economy is issue number one?

We want you to weigh in: Who is to blame for the widening income gap?

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  1. Minnie Mouse

    The blame goes to our government and the wealthy business owners & CEOs. The people who are wealthy this comes from the people who are working his or her tail off for them. Most of these people don't get yearly raises, cost of living wages or bonuses. No on gets rich without the help from someone. If the wealthy shared the wealth by giving decent pay, costs of living wages, and bonuses everyone would be better off financially.

    The reason why over 1/2 of our country is in poverty is because our government is allowing people to stay on entitlement benefits for to long and passed out to many unemployment extensions. If you can't find a job in 26 weeks, you need to be off unemployment to make sure you take a job. If the government can tell people to work 20 hours that are fully capable, then these same people are capable of working a full time job which is only 20 hours more. When as a government you allow this to happen in our country, things will never be better for these people and this only that leads our country into is a larger line each year of people needing assistance. The assistance goes to the people who can't help themselves and truly need it.

    There's not enough being done about raising the minimum wage. All states should be getting paid higher wages and not just 13 states.

    College is not affordable. It's only affordable to the wealthy and the low income, because the wealthy already have the income and the low income costs are pretty much for free. Nothing is ever done for the people who are in the middle, who struggle just as well and if not worst because we are the ones who are having to pay for everything with no assistance living pay check to paycheck. All college should be free for all or make everyone pay.

    When you have it both ways, this created inequality in our country because not everyone who wants to go, can go because our country has tied everything and everyone to money. It should be about who you are, what you want to do in life but now it's about what income level you are to determine you success and that's not right at all.

    The government gives to many tax breaks to the low income and the wealthy. The tax system is unjustified.

    If we were all treated with equality, everyone would be getting free health care. All of the low income get free health care and here are the middle class having to pay 100% again for everything. We should all get free health care or everyone should pay for all health care. There will never be equality in our country if we keep the same systems running as is. Freebies to some or pay all to some.

    So yes, the blame game goes to the government for so many unjustified programs and tax codes, with a combination of greedy people who are wealthy who don't believe in treating employees with respect. If they did people would be getting paid higher wages, every year receive a raise and or a cost of living raise and some type of company bonus year round.

    Our government also needs to learn what the word "FREE" means. Free is not free, it cost the tax payers and the government.

    January 2, 2014 at 8:09 am | Reply
    • ProtectAmericanJobs

      It's not necessarily that they're not treating employees with respect, it's because over the past several decades, all they've been doing is screwing the American people, by stalling, spending, removing protections and allowing illegal aliens to continue to pour in and American jobs and industry to pour out, and all while collecting their American tax-payer funded pay checks, benefits and whatever else they get on the side from their various lobbyist friends.

      The bottom line is that “Our Government” has to protect domestic industry and the jobs that those industries provide. If they do that, the rest will take care of itself.

      We may have to pay a bit more for products made here in the USA by US citizens, but at least we'll still have jobs and a future for our children.

      I'd like to be able to have the option to buy more products that are actually Made in The USA. But, unfortunately it's gotten to the point where we don't really even have a choice anymore, because nowadays Americans can't even find products in stores that are made in the USA. So you couldn't even choose them even if you did want to. This is particularly true with electronics and most other non-food products.

      Foreign Lobbyists here in the US promote sending US jobs to countries like China, where they work for slave wages, no benefits, no OSHA safety standards or no real environment regulations. It also doesn't help us compete when these company's factories are subsidized by China's communist government. Just check out the current Chinese extreme pollution issues – We all live in the same world, but not every country plays by the same rules.

      The so called "Global Market Place" is not a level playing field. Companies may have made higher profits by "out sourcing", but they've been putting middle class Americans who are a good part of the world's customer base out of work.

      You can't just raise the minimum wage unless you start improving the overall business environment and employment picture. I run a business with 20 employees all of whom earn well more than minimum wage, but it isn't so easy. Over the last 25-years our government has allowed our country's industries to get sucked out to China, India, Mexico, etc and allowed legal and illegal aliens to come in a take American jobs and drive down prices and wages. It's hard enough to make any profit nowadays and take care of our hard working conscientious employees.

      Our leaders better wake up and start putting some sensible measures in place to stem the tide or this is going to continue to have a devastating effect on America and American citizens.

      January 2, 2014 at 10:57 am | Reply
    • Hector Slagg

      Aw, yes,
      The High Cost of living. Fun, isn't it? You forgot to look the last time you were in the voting booth. It;s too late now. You bought the farm. You like Obama Care? You like the 29 Hour Work week? Well, you voted for it. Wanna get rid of it? Want jobs to come back? Better look next time you vote. Health Care should be free for everybody? Really? Do you work for free? Why do you think anyone else should?

      January 2, 2014 at 4:20 pm | Reply
  2. Steve Hamilton

    Let me discuss the key economic issue for 2014. That will be the release of a revised US credit rating that reflects the impact of the far right caused shutdown and default threat. I expect that America's credit rating will drop two levels, which will increase the cost of borrowing by 200 basis points. This will raise the deficit by about $100 billion. The right wingers will try to sell their version of the shutdown and blame the Senate and president, but it won't work because the voters are too smart to fall for that rewrite of history. I expect the new rating to be published before spring arrives, which will allow plenty of time for it to sink into the minds of voters and the business community, which has already threatened to withhold support from far right candidates.

    November 2014 will not be a good time for the Republican party. Here's another prediction: if the House returns to the Democrats, look for Issa to get impeached on the same charges that brought Senator Joseph McCarthy down 60 years ago.

    December 31, 2013 at 11:27 pm | Reply
    • Hector Slagg

      Well Stevey old boy,
      Let's discuss world trade for a second. Say we, The U.S., buy a billion dollars of product from China. Got it so far? Now listen up Steve, I'm only going to say this once. The only place, China can spend that Billion dollars is where? Right back here in the U.S !! Now Steve lay down and rest so your brain doesn't get too dizzy. China may buy product, with that Billion from some other country. But in the long run it all comes back to it's origin. In this case the U.S. And what does that do? Provides jobs for people here. That is called World Trade. Nothing to get excited about. Go rest now Steve. And Steve, the lesson is free! No charge.

      January 1, 2014 at 11:03 am | Reply
      • ProtectAmericanJobs

        Yeah – Try wrapping up your BS in a nice package and selling it to someone else, because most of us can still smell that's BS regardless of how you try to package it.

        Regardless of what the free-traitors keep trying to sell us, we can see what's real. People need to just trust their own common sense and what they're actually seeing going on all around them versus the nonsense that the free-traitors are still trying to sell us.

        January 1, 2014 at 1:40 pm |
      • Leftcoastrocky

        Your sarcasm destroys any valid arguments you may make.

        January 2, 2014 at 2:26 pm |
  3. Hector Slagg

    So !,
    You want to protect jobs? Got any idea how to do that? You are blaming who? Wall Street? Who does that work? They can only do what the Market Dictates. If the Market will only pay so much you ain't going to get more. When the money get's scarce so do jobs. When people demand too much, business closes or moves off shore. If you/the people use common sense, they will be successful and may even prosper. If they don't, well you know the answer.

    December 31, 2013 at 11:23 am | Reply
    • HereInTheUSA

      I think he or she already explained the problems and what needs to be corrected below, but people like you will never get it and hence are part of the problem.

      December 31, 2013 at 12:49 pm | Reply
      • Hector Slagg

        The best laid plans of mice and men, no? They tried all those fixes in the old Soviet Union. A smashing success no? For some it is always somebody else's fault. If it were only that easy. I understand the idea of the Soviet Union came from our own liberal's right here maybe 100 years ago. About the only sure thing is death and taxes. It was called the Class Struggle in the Soviet Union. Here it is called uh, the Class struggle.Start Booking your own life. It may be a bummer but it won't be any worse than it is now. And YOU will be in charge!

        December 31, 2013 at 1:27 pm |
      • Kurt

        Hector, you have a bit of a history fail there.

        The creation of the soviet union had nothing to do with "our" liberals. Russian communism was based on the Bolshevik faction of the Russian Social Democratic Labor party, which was largely created on the shoulders of Vladamir Lenin and Alexander Bogdanov, two Russians who's ideas spring from Marx and Engels... two Germans. Little to no american or even western european leftist thought went into anything with regards to soviet Russia.

        And his suggested fixes are not particulary marxist or bolshevik in nature. They're mostply protectionist and isolationist ideas... two things that were not heavily present in Soviet Russia. Protectionism is pretty much thought to be a bad idea by EVERY modern economist. But likening protectionism to communism is pretty silly.

        December 31, 2013 at 2:33 pm |
      • ProtectAmericanJobs

        On the US Department of Commerce's US Census Bureau website there's a graphic showing how our trade imbalance has gotten progressively worse over the entire period from 1989 to the present and how it's really accelerated at an increasingly greater rate each year since 1999.

        We can thank "our leaders" from both sides and the WTO for that.

        See for yourself: www(dot)census(dot)gov(slash)foreign-trade(slash)balance(slash)c0004(dot)html

        Check it out and figure it out for yourself.

        If these "free trade" agreements were so good us, why did our trade deficit keep getting larger and larger during this span of time.

        Increasingly way more money going out of our country every year versus coming in every year.

        It's not rocket science.

        December 31, 2013 at 6:45 pm |
      • Steve Hamilton

        Hector Slagg: It's uneducated dopes like you that are killing a once great party. The Russian Bolshevics developed their own anti government policies on their own, with home grown authors like Lenin and Marx. They got no ideas from the US, because they didn't think they needed them. Before the revolution, Russia was an autocracy and had absolutely nothing in common with the US. So, your allegation is baloney because you are just one more right wing gasbag who makes up "facts" when it's convenient.

        December 31, 2013 at 11:33 pm |
      • Hector Slagg

        Uh, Well,
        Some of you should stay out of the Library. It will curdle your brains. As someone said, long before you were born, If you are so damn smart, why ain't you rich. But you can always be a Bleacher Bum !!

        January 1, 2014 at 10:48 am |
      • Kurt

        Knowledge of history isn't a matter of intelligence Hector. It's simply not being ignorant.

        You don't have to be smart to learn history, you just have to take some time and read it (or even watch a movie made by someone who read it). Where you run into problems is when you spew stuff that someone else told you without actually researching it yourself. When you do that, you're speaking from ignorance rather then knowledge.

        You can be incredibly smart but ignorant on a subject. You can be fairly dumb but knowledgable on a subject.

        You've simply shown that when it comes to the history of the soviet union, you happen to be ignorant. It's best not to talk about stuff you haven't taken the time to learn about.

        January 2, 2014 at 10:33 am |
    • ProtectAmericanJobs

      Like I already said below:

      Humm – Let me guess, Here comes the Old Tariffs = Socialism / Trade war BS – Sorry, you're right removing them has worked out so well for the American People and the Real American Economy.

      Tariffs don't work, if we don't use them. We could have proportionally decreased and monitored them rather than just eliminating them altogether, which just allowed the floodgates to pop wide open.

      The cold, hard truth is that the unholy alliance between Washington and Wall Street has sold out the American worker and exported our standard of living.

      Driven by the insatiable greed of Wall Street profiteers and accelerated by the false promise of free trade, our manufacturing base has been chased out of this country and along with it the livelihood of millions of hard-working Americans.

      It's fashionable these days among the politicians, pundits and so-called experts to claim that free trade is actually good for us. They say it enables us to buy cheaper goods made with cheap foreign labor and this, in turn, raises our standard of living.

      The free traitors need to ask themselves a more fundamental question: How will Americans buy those goods when they don't even have a paycheck that covers their mortgage, much less the college tuition for their children?

      We need to bring back Glass-Steagall and start standing up to the WTO.

      If Ross Perot had been elected president in 1992, the American people and the American economy would have been much better off today!

      Our leaders need to start remembering that they are elected by the Citizens of the United States of America to represent the interests of those citizens and the country itself. – They are NOT elected by the Global Market Place, Lobbyist or Foreign citizens!

      The bottom line is that "Our Government" has to protect domestic industry and the jobs that those industries provide. If they do that, the rest will take care of itself.

      December 31, 2013 at 6:43 pm | Reply
      • ProtectAmericanJobs

        Bringing manufacturing back to the US not only gives jobs to the US citizens who would be working in those manufacturing facilities, but to the people that would be working in the businesses that would spring up all around them. This should also include the safe harvesting, production and distribution of our own natural energy here in the USA, rather than paying for fuel from countries where they hate us. Let’s keep that money and those jobs here in the US.

        Our leaders better wake up and start putting some sensible measures in place to stem the tide or this is going to continue to have a devastating effect on America and the American citizens.

        This is eventually going to effect even the few idiotic Americans who are still championing outsourcing.

        December 31, 2013 at 6:49 pm |
  4. Kurt

    I actually think most of the problems with the income gap comes down to the changes in the tax code.

    In the past (pre-reagan) when the income gap was small, the tax rate got VERY steep when you went into higher income levels. Since 1917, the top marginal tax rate was only below 45% from 1925-1931, then from 1987 on.

    The high top tax rate is a disincentive for those who own businesses from taking a large amount of profit out. At a certain point, the tax burden for each additional dollar of income was so high (in some years over 90%) that business owners took a longer view of their money. They left the money IN the business, and were more concerned with having a source of income for decades rather then getting a brief windfall profit.

    They accomplished this by reinvesting that money in their business... and that reinvestment included their workers. They'd allocate more money in order to get better workers and their long view meant looking after the well being of those who worked for their company as a way to ensure the company did well.

    This stopped once they could get huge profit out without a huge tax burden. Very few companies take that long view anymore. This also ties in with when people stopped staying at one employer for an entire career. With fewer companies investing in their employees, more employees began searching elsewhere for better opportunities. The norm of going to work for one company for a career got replaced with jumping through 10-20 jobs over a career, searching for better opportunities since individual companies didn't invest in you when you stayed put.

    So... lower top tax rate means that investors get their money out easier without having to pay high tax rates. Because of that, they're more likely to take huge profits and not reinvest in their business (and workers), which is a huge impact on income inequality.

    Now I'm not saying that's unfair, or even wrong. I'm just saying that change was a clear economic cause of the income inequality we see today. We've lowered the incentives for reinvesting in the workforce and increased incentives to take money out of a business for stock holders. Income inequality is a unavoidable consequence of that.

    December 31, 2013 at 9:13 am | Reply
  5. ProtectAmericanJobs

    We want you to weigh in: Who is to blame for the widening income gap?

    Sorry, that's a lot of posts – But, That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

    Once they're elected, our leaders should be working together for the good of the our country and our citizens by using combinations of the best ideas from both sides versus just trying to make the other side look bad so they lose the next election.

    December 30, 2013 at 9:14 pm | Reply
  6. ProtectAmericanJobs

    That whole frigging shortsighted Wall Street mentality from the 1980's to the present has been what has destroyed the Real American Economy and the future of the American people.

    We all would've been better off right now if Ross Perot had won in 1992. I and many other people, who were able to see through all of the left vs right BS, did vote for Perot, because he was straight forward and just used common sense. He cared about his country and the American people.

    December 30, 2013 at 9:10 pm | Reply
  7. ProtectAmericanJobs

    While our politicians have been bickering for years like idiotic fools, China has been crushing the USA in an economic war that we don't even know we're in and without even firing a shot.

    Bringing manufacturing back home to the USA is going to end up being not only a key to restoring our economy, but to maintaining our national security as well.

    * Chinese firms and state agencies have been implicated in a host of hacking attacks, on targets ranging from leading industrial and technology firms, to the Pentagon and other US government agencies, to the New York Times, Coca-Cola and numerous other companies and industries.

    * Oct 2012: The U.S. House of Representatives Intelligence Committee said U.S. telecommunications operators should not be allowed do business with China's top network equipment makers because potential Chinese state influence on the companies poses a security threat.

    * Also most counterfeit goods are produced and manufactured in China, making it the counterfeit capital of the world. In fact, the counterfeiting industry accounts for 8% of China's GDP.

    * Foreign Lobbyists here in the US promote sending US jobs to countries like China, where they work for slave wages, no benefits, no OSHA safety standards or no real environment regulations. It also doesn't help us compete when these company's factories are subsidized by China's communist government. Just check out the current Chinese extreme pollution issues – We all live in the same world, but not every country plays by the same rules.

    The so called "Global Market Place" is not a level playing field. Companies may have made higher profits by "out sourcing", but they've been putting middle class Americans who are a good part of the world's customer base out of work. I'm not a lefty or member of any union. I run a business that employs over 20 people and produces products that are purchased by customers that do manufacturing and packaging. I'm just an average Joe, but I've been saying this for more than 15 years now. If I can see it, so can our so called leaders (political leaders) who are beholden to the same people who are exporting our jobs.

    Bringing manufacturing back to the US not only gives jobs to the US citizens who would be working in those manufacturing facilities, but to the people that would be working in the businesses that would spring up all around them. This should also include the safe harvesting, production and distribution of our own natural energy here in the USA, rather than paying for fuel from countries where they hate us. Let's keep that money and those jobs here in the US.

    Our leaders need to start remembering that they are elected by the Citizens of the United States of America to represent the interests of those citizens and the country itself. – They are NOT elected by the Global Market Place, Lobbyist or Foreign citizens!

    The ONLY REAL FIX for Our Country is to Raise Revenue by Bringing Back Jobs to Tax-Paying US Citizens.

    Our leaders better wake up and put some sensible measures in to stem the tide or this is going to have a devastating effect on America and the American citizens.

    The bottom line is that "Our Government" has to protect domestic industry and the jobs that those industries provide. If they do that, the rest will take care of itself.

    We may have to pay a bit more for products made here in the USA by US citizens, but at least we'll still have jobs and a future for our children.

    December 30, 2013 at 9:02 pm | Reply
  8. ProtectAmericanJobs

    We STILL need to Stop ILLEGAL immigration! They're not just doing jobs that Americans don't want. Do they pay state and federal income taxes? Don't get me wrong most of these people work hard, but are a drain on the system if they don't pay income taxes, have healthcare coverage, learn the language or get paid wages that are in line with their American counterparts. We all know that the health care provided to uninsured illegals here in the states is being averaged into our hospital costs and our insurance premiums, which have PROPORTIONATELY increased along with illegal immigration over the last 20 years? These costs are also being passed along to Medicaid and Medicare, which means that not only are they increasing our insurance premiums, but that we're paying for them again with our tax dollars. Our tax dollars and insurance premiums should not be used to recoup the cost of healthcare given to illegal aliens, who shouldn't even be here in our country in the first place.

    Just look around and you'll see who's doing 90% of the residential renovations, construction and property maintenance jobs. That's certainly what we're seeing in the northeast. These are not just jobs that Americans don't want.

    The hiring of cheap illegal labor causes a chain reaction. The contractors who hire cheap, uninsured, non-income-taxpaying, ILLEGAL aliens undercut the contractors who hire US Citizens or Legal immigrants. Even if the contractor wants to continue to employ US Citizens or Legal tax-paying immigrants, they end up replacing their Legal employees with illegals just to be able to get the work. Unfortunately unions and the old "that's not my job" union attitudes here in the USA have also contributed to this problem.

    Also when these Non-income-tax-paying Illegal Aliens take American Citizens jobs they also are taking away the income tax revenue that those working American Citizens would be providing to our government. In addition, the American Citizens who have their jobs taken away by these Illegal Aliens then have to be paid unemployment and usually have no healthcare insurance either because they can't afford COBRA, which adds even more to our deficit and further increases our healthcare costs.

    Let's face it – Over the last 2-3 decades, both parties have been selling out the bulk of the American citizens, who they're supposed to represent, by allowing the incursion of illegal aliens (cheap labor) and the "out-sourcing" floodgates to open wider and wider without taking any sensible measures to stem the tide.

    I run a business that does it the right way and employs 20 US Citizens and 1 Legal Immigrant and I believe that the use of Workplace Raids is a perfectly realistic way to put a stop to this BS. Plus we should publish the results of these workplace raids and fines to the public, so American Citizens and customers could see which companies are employing illegals.

    Let's get the good productive illegal immigrants into the system and paying federal and state income tax or get them out and NOT Let Any More Come In unless they come in as Legal Immigrants. Make them apply for legal visas and or U.S. citizenship and if they don't, then get them out. If they get rejected get them out or give them one quick appeal and if they still get rejected, then get them out. And let's send the bad ILLEGAL Aliens back to where they came in and let's STOP ANYMORE ILLEGAL ALIENS from getting in.

    I also think we should start using our military to Start Keeping ILLEGAL Aliens Out.

    How About Hiring some of our Unemployed Veterans as Additional Border Patrol Officers, ICE and INS agents?

    ps: Most illegal aliens are paid off the books and if they're employer says that they're deducting income tax they're lying. And the few that are being paid on the books, using fake IDs, claim a huge number of dependents, etc................ And could you or I get away with not filling income tax returns? And what about the ballsy ones that do file and claim a ridiculous amount of deductions to get big refunds. There are even sleazy accounts that specialize in helping them game the system.

    December 30, 2013 at 9:01 pm | Reply
  9. ProtectAmericanJobs

    Perot said it back in 1992 "Jobs getting sucked out of the country" – Many people saw it back then, but unfortunately too many people bought into the spin of "BS" that we were being sold. Seems that both parties were always able to distract and polarize voters with insignificant peripheral issues like gay marriage and abortion, which got most voters so caught up in the BS that they lost sight of the bigger picture.

    YouTube – Giant Sucking Sound – Ross Perot 1992 Presidential Debate(dot)flv

    This was something that most of us already knew back at that time, because it was just common sense!

    The people with all of the excuses as to why we can't, shouldn't or aren't willing to manufacture products here in the US are the same people who have provided us with the thinking that's gotten us into this mess in the first place.

    Check out these articles:

    economyincrisis(dot)org(slash)content(slash)protectionism-matter-self-survival#comment-6632

    economyincrisis(dot)org(slash)content(slash)unethical-predatory-practices

    Too bad we'll never see these types of articles in the mainstream media.

    It's appears that the foreign interests are influencing our media as well, just watch the ABC Nightline special on Apple's iPhone and iPad products being made in China that ends with the dramatic biased comment "That you can be the nation that lines up to make these products or the nation the lines up to buy them, but it's impossible to be both". What BS propaganda! ABC has direct ties to Apple and Foxconn. It also doesn't help us compete when these company's factories are subsidized by China's communist government.

    Even "60 Minutes" got into the act with their BS show about US manufacturing companies not being able to find enough qualified help. It doesn't help that since manufacturing has been declining for decades, that our children are being pushed towards liberal arts degrees rather than technical training which could have led to jobs, had we not been going down the ever increasing path of "Out-Sourcing".

    Foreign Lobbyists here in the US promote sending US jobs to countries like China, where they work for slave wages, no benefits, no OSHA safety standards or no real environment regulations. It also doesn't help us compete when these company's factories are subsidized by China's communist government. Just check out the current Chinese extreme pollution issues – We all live in the same world, but not every country plays by the same rules.

    On the US Department of Commerce's US Census Bureau website there's a graphic showing how our trade imbalance has gotten progressively worse over the entire period from 1989 to the present and how it's really accelerated at an increasely greater rate each year since 1999. We can thank our leaders and the WTO for that.

    See for yourself: www(dot)census(dot)gov(slash)foreign-trade(slash)balance(slash)c0004(dot)html

    But the news that Apple CEO Tim Cook has revealed that one of the existing Mac lines will be manufactured exclusively in the United States next year is at least a step in the right direction.

    And for those that will say that many jobs are being replaced by robotics and automation, you still need people to maintain and service the automated equipment, warehouse personnel, truck drivers to deliver the products, purchasing people to buy the materials, managers, office staff, etc.

    Also, let's manufacture the automated equipment and develop the software to be used for this automated manufacturing, etc. This not only gives jobs to the US citizens who would be working in those manufacturing facilities, but to the people that would be working in the businesses that would spring up all around them.

    Many American jobs have been replaced by automation, but many more have been replaced by "out-sourcing", H-1B workers and non-income-tax-paying illegal aliens here in the USA.

    The ONLY REAL FIX for Our Country is to Raise Revenue by Bringing Back Jobs to US Citizens who Pay Income Tax.

    Returning private sector jobs to American Citizens will provide income tax revenue to OUR Government versus our government having to pay unemployment benefits to those who would be jobless instead. We need our elected officials to Start Protecting American Jobs and do whatever it takes to bring back the jobs they let go. We need leaders who will actually stand up for the American people.

    The bottom line is that "Our Government" has to protect domestic industry and the jobs that those industries provide. If they do that, the rest will take care of itself.

    December 30, 2013 at 9:00 pm | Reply
  10. ProtectAmericanJobs

    I'd like to be able to have the option to buy more products that are actually Made in The USA. But, unfortunately it's gotten to the point where we don't really even have a choice anymore, because nowadays Americans can't even find products in stores that are made in the USA. So you couldn't even choose them even if you did want to. This is particularly true with electronics and most other non-food products.

    Foreign Lobbyists here in the US promote sending US jobs to countries like China, where they work for slave wages, no benefits, no OSHA safety standards or no real environment regulations. It also doesn't help us compete when these company's factories are subsidized by China's communist government. Just check out the current Chinese extreme pollution issues – We all live in the same world, but not every country plays by the same rules.

    The so called "Global Market Place" is not a level playing field. Companies may have made higher profits by "out sourcing", but they've been putting middle class Americans who are a good part of the world's customer base out of work.

    December 30, 2013 at 8:59 pm | Reply
  11. ProtectAmericanJobs

    Wouldn't we be better off if Our Elected Leaders Started Working Together as AMERICANS for AMERICANS and AMERICA, instead of just bickering, stalling and posturing for the next election as democrats and republicans/tea-whatevers! The American People have had it with this unproductive BS! The way that both parties having been operating for years just stinks! Neither party has really been looking out for the best interests of the US Citizens who elect them and who they're supposed to represent.

    Let's face it – Over the past 2-3 decades, both parties have sold out the bulk of the American citizens, who they're supposed to represent, by allowing the incursion of illegal aliens(cheap labor) and the Outsourcing Floodgates to open wider and wider without taking any sensible measures to stem the tide.

    Our leaders are elected by the Citizens of the United States of America to represent the interests of those citizens and the country itself. – They are NOT elected by the Global Market Place or foreign citizens!

    It shouldn't be all about Democrats or Republicans! It should be about Americans, especially our elected officials, doing the right thing for our country and its citizens. All the single-minded, left versus right, ideological one dimensional bull has got to go!

    The Citizens of the United States of America need our elected leaders from both parties to start working together to actually start trying to fix the real problems in our country like "out-sourcing", illegal immigration, the out of control costs of health care insurance and our reliance on foreign fuel.

    Fix them together as Americans! – Because united we'll stand, but divided we'll fall.

    December 30, 2013 at 8:56 pm | Reply
    • ProtectAmericanJobs

      Devastating annual health insurance increases were crushing our business and our employees for years before President Obama was elected.

      I didn't vote for President Obama, but at least he had the guts to take on the health-care insurance issue in the first place – Although it would have been better if both sides could have worked together to come up with a better plan in the first place. This whole thing is a mess and we should never have out-sourced the website.

      I don't care which side fixes it – Just fix it.

      Something had to be done about the ridiculously high health insurance premiums that are being paid by employers and their employees. Both of whom are paying an unfair share of the burden of costs for the uninsured, who's health-care costs are averaged in to the hospital's and health-care provider's costs and then passed onto the insurance companies premiums, plus Medicaid and Medicare. I run a business that employs 21 employees and our premiums were going up anywhere from 18-34% every year for the 12 years before they finally started trying to address this issue. Something had to be done, but we should've gotten it right, by using combinations of the best ideas from both sides.

      Wouldn't we be better off if Our Elected Leaders Started Working Together as AMERICANS for AMERICANS and AMERICA, instead of just bickering, stalling and posturing for the next election as democrats and republicans/tea-whatevers!

      The American People have had it with this unproductive BS!

      And when will Both Parties finally Stop Ignoring the effect that uninsured illegal aliens have on our health care costs and our insurance premiums?

      December 30, 2013 at 9:11 pm | Reply
  12. ProtectAmericanJobs

    We need to address both revenue and spending.

    We need to cut out the waste and corruption, but we should not look past the unemployed American people who's jobs and futures have been sold out by our leaders on both sides to foreign lobbyists and the like.

    The extended unemployment benefits need to be renewed until the Real American Economy actually starts to improve. And let's not forget our military veterans.

    Let's cut much of our foreign aid, especially to regions of the globe were they hate us and our way of life.

    I also think we should start using our military to Start Keeping ILLEGAL Aliens Out.

    How About Hiring some of our Unemployed Veterans as Additional Border Patrol Officers, ICE and INS agents?

    Wouldn't we be better off if Our Elected Leaders Started Working Together as AMERICANS for AMERICANS and AMERICA, instead of just bickering, stalling and posturing for the next election as democrats and republicans/tea-whatevers! The American People have had it with this unproductive BS! The way that both parties having been operating for years just stinks! Neither party has really been looking out for the best interests of the US Citizens who elect them and who they're supposed to represent.

    The Citizens of the United States of America need our elected leaders from both parties to start working together to actually start trying to fix the real problems in our country like "outsourcing", illegal immigration, the out of control costs of health care insurance and our reliance on foreign fuel.

    Fix them together as Americans! – Because united we'll stand, but divided we'll fall.

    December 30, 2013 at 8:51 pm | Reply
  13. ProtectAmericanJobs

    It seems to me that over the last 2-3 decades that both parties were always able to distract and polarize voters with insignificant peripheral BS, which get's most voters so caught up in the BS that they lose sight of the bigger picture.

    We'd really all be better off by just cutting through the BS and all the my team vs your team name calling nonsense and really focus on America and improving the future of the American people.

    Once they're elected, our leaders should be working together for the good of the our country and our citizens by using combinations of the best ideas from both sides versus just trying to make the other side look bad so they lose the next election. – How's that been working?

    All the nonsense just allows the puppet-masters to continue to do what's best for them at the expense of the American people while we're polarized and distracted.

    But, let's face it – Neither party is actually running our country – Powerful puppet-masters play both sides to make sure that they get what they want. Unfortunately what they want is not usually in the best interest of the majority of the American people. (American citizens)

    But aren't there at least a handful of these frigging powerful puppet-masters that are fellow Americans with enough of a conscience, guts and loyalty to America and their fellow Americans to start trying to turn this trend around?

    If there aren't, we're screwed.

    It's obvious isn't it. But some people keep trying to feed us the Kool-Aid just to keep us distracted and polarized, so they can continue to sell us out.

    Both sides are trying to get us to drink their brand of Kool-Aid, but it's just different flavors of the same thing and in the long run both brands are making us sick.

    December 30, 2013 at 8:49 pm | Reply
  14. ProtectAmericanJobs

    Our leaders need to start remembering that they are elected by the Citizens of the United States of America to represent the interests of those citizens and the country itself. – They are NOT elected by the Global Market Place, Lobbyist or Foreign citizens!

    It's obvious that over the last 2-3 decades that both parties have been selling out the bulk of the American citizens, who they're supposed to represent, by allowing the incursion of illegal aliens (cheap labor) and the "out-sourcing" floodgates to open wider and wider without taking any sensible measures to stem the tide.

    The outsourcing is not just limited to unskilled and skilled blue-collar manufacturing jobs either. It's also impacting white-collar jobs like, plant managers, engineers, IT jobs, purchasing, customer service, etc........... being outsourced to India, China................. When will it stop?

    Foreigners will be coming here and buying our houses after we all foreclose. They'll also be taking over our government too, after it defaults from lack income tax revenue, due to businesses in the USA shutting down and or US jobs being outsourced and everyone being out of work.

    Just the other day a friend that works in the IT department of a major paint company found out that 90% of their IT department in the USA is being laid off and will be replaced by IT techs in India. He has until February and he's gone, but not until he helps train and transition the job to those that are replacing him.

    This summer I learned from a highly educated engineer that their company had recently displaced 100 of their 105 engineers here in the USA by replacing them with engineers in India. He was fortunate enough to be one of the 5 out 105 American engineers that they kept.

    Our leaders better wake up and put some sensible measures in to stem the tide or this is going to have a devastating effect on America and the American citizens.

    This is eventually going to effect even the few idiotic Americans who are still championing outsourcing.

    December 30, 2013 at 8:48 pm | Reply
    • ProtectAmericanJobs

      On the US Department of Commerce's US Census Bureau website there's a graphic showing how our trade imbalance has gotten progressively worse over the entire period from 1989 to the present and how it's really accelerated at an increasingly greater rate each year since 1999.

      We can thank "our leaders" from both sides and the WTO for that.

      See for yourself: www(dot)census(dot)gov(slash)foreign-trade(slash)balance(slash)c0004(dot)html

      Check it out and figure it out for yourself.

      If these "free trade" agreements were so good us, why did our trade deficit keep getting larger and larger during this span of time.

      Increasingly way more money going out of our country every year versus coming in every year.

      It's not rocket science.

      Tariffs don't work, if we don't use them. We could have proportionally decreased and monitored them rather than just eliminating them altogether, which just allowed the floodgates to pop wide open.

      The cold, hard truth is that the unholy alliance between Washington and Wall Street has sold out the American worker and exported our standard of living.

      Driven by the insatiable greed of Wall Street profiteers and accelerated by the false promise of free trade, our manufacturing base has been chased out of this country and along with it the livelihood of millions of hard-working Americans.

      It's fashionable these days among the politicians, pundits and so-called experts to claim that free trade is actually good for us. They say it enables us to buy cheaper goods made with cheap foreign labor and this, in turn, raises our standard of living.

      The free traitors need to ask themselves a more fundamental question: How will Americans buy those goods when they don't even have a paycheck that covers their mortgage, much less the college tuition for their children?

      We need to bring back Glass-Steagall and start standing up to the WTO.

      If Ross Perot had been elected president in 1992, the American people and the American economy would have been much better off today!

      Humm – Let me guess, Here comes the Old Tariffs = Socialism / Trade war BS – Sorry, you're right removing them has worked out so well for the American People and the Real American Economy.

      Our leaders need to start remembering that they are elected by the Citizens of the United States of America to represent the interests of those citizens and the country itself. – They are NOT elected by the Global Market Place, Lobbyist or Foreign citizens!

      The bottom line is that "Our Government" has to protect domestic industry and the jobs that those industries provide. If they do that, the rest will take care of itself.

      Bringing manufacturing back to the US not only gives jobs to the US citizens who would be working in those manufacturing facilities, but to the people that would be working in the businesses that would spring up all around them. This should also include the safe harvesting, production and distribution of our own natural energy here in the USA, rather than paying for fuel from countries where they hate us. Let’s keep that money and those jobs here in the US.

      Our leaders better wake up and start putting some sensible measures in place to stem the tide or this is going to continue to have a devastating effect on America and the American citizens.

      December 30, 2013 at 8:55 pm | Reply
  15. The GOP Solution

    The GOP Solution: Turn all the Old, Sick, Poor, Non-white, Non-christian, Female, and Gay people into slaves. Then whip them until they are Young, Healthy, Rich, White, Christian, Male, and Straight. Or until they are dead. Then turn them into Soylent Green to feed the military during the next "unfunded/off-the-books" war. And don't forget the GOP all time favorite......TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH!!!!!!!

    December 30, 2013 at 8:41 pm | Reply
  16. ProtectAmericanJobs

    You can't just raise the minimum wage unless you start improving the overall business environment and employment picture. I run a business with 20 employees all of whom earn well more than minimum wage, but it isn't so easy. Over the last 25-years our government has allowed our country's industries to get sucked out to China, India, Mexico, etc and allowed legal and illegal aliens to come in a take American jobs and drive down prices and wages. It's hard enough to make any profit nowadays and take care of our hard working conscientious employees.

    Our leaders better wake up and start putting some sensible measures in place to stem the tide or this is going to continue to have a devastating effect on America and American citizens.

    December 30, 2013 at 8:33 pm | Reply
    • ProtectAmericanJobs

      Our economic problems didn't happen overnight. It's been happening over the past 15-20 years, but the economy was kept going by middle class Americans tapping into the equity on their homes until they were completely tapped out.

      It shouldn't be all about Democrats or Republicans! It should be about doing the right thing for our country and the majority of its citizens. I consider myself an independent voter, but going back to the Reagan days and with the only exception having been Perot, I’ve always voted Republican. But all this single-minded, left versus right, ideological one dimensional bull has got to go! This is the problem with our country. It shouldn't be about Democrats or Republicans! It should be about Americans, especially our elected officials, doing the right thing for our country and its citizens.

      Both parties have sold out the bulk of the American citizens, who they're supposed to represent, by allowing the incursion of illegal aliens (cheap labor) and the "out-sourcing" floodgates to open wider and wider without taking any sensible measures to stem the tide.

      Under Clinton jobs to China, Under Bush I & II influx of illegals/cheap labor into the US and jobs to Mexico/NAFTA – Bush started it and it was signed into effect by Clinton. I loved President Reagan because he brought pride and respect back to our country after those embarrassingly weak Carter years, but unfortunately his shortsighted economic policy sent us down the wrong path. Jeez and the wizards on Wall Street wonder why the American people aren't putting as much money into savings and their 401k plans anymore. Maybe it's because the shortsighted economic policies, from the 1980's to the present, have come back to bite the hands that feed them. I guess the thought of changing from a manufacturing based economy to a service based economy of smoke and mirrors is working out just great? Not!

      Our leaders are elected by the Citizens of the United States of America to represent the interests of those citizens and the country itself. They are NOT elected by the Global Market Place or foreign citizens!

      We need our elected officials to Start Protecting American Jobs and do whatever it takes to bring back the jobs they let go. We need leaders who will actually stand up for the American people.

      We need to bring manufacturing back to the United States of America and both parties are ignoring tariffs as a way to level the playing field, raise money and bring jobs back home. Let's guess why. Oh that's right, tariff is a dirty word. Hum, maybe it’s that our so called leaders (political leaders) are beholden to the same people who are exporting our jobs.

      I guess we should keep letting Corp Boards, Wall Street, CEOs and Foreign Lobbyists promote sending US jobs to countries where they work for slave wages, no benefits, no OSHA safety standards or no real environment regulations. How's that been working for us?

      The so called “Global Market Place” is not a level playing field. Companies may have made higher profits by "out sourcing", but they've been putting middle class Americans who are a good part of the world’s customer base out of work. I’m not a lefty or member of any union. I run a business that employs over 20 people and produces products that are purchased by customers that do manufacturing and packaging. I’m just an average Joe, but I've been saying this for more than 15 years now. If I can see it, so can our so called leaders (political leaders) who are beholden to the same people who are exporting our jobs.

      We need to add tariffs that are proportionate to the inequities in wages and regulations in the country where the goods were produced and or where we’re importing them from. We could then use the money raised by these tariffs to help companies build state of the art manufacturing plants here in the USA, which would create more jobs here at home for US citizens, which would then in turn increase our income tax revenue.

      The people with all of the excuses as to why we can’t, shouldn't or aren’t willing to manufacture products here in the US are the same people who have provided us with the thinking that’s gotten us into this mess in the first place.

      Over the past 15-20 years, I've seen too many of our customer's close manufacturing plants here in the USA and move those plants to different countries, decimating entire areas here in OUR COUNTRY. And I'm not alone. Returning jobs to American Citizens will provide income tax revenue to OUR Government versus our government having to pay unemployment benefits to those who would be jobless instead.

      Bringing manufacturing back to the US not only gives jobs to the US citizens who would be working in those manufacturing facilities, but to the people that would be working in the businesses that would spring up all around them. This should also include the safe harvesting, production and distribution of our own natural energy here in the USA, rather than paying for fuel from countries where they hate us. Let’s keep that money and those jobs here in the US.

      These so-called “free trade agreements” have to go. It was obvious when they were passing these agreements as to what was going to happen and sure enough it did. Our leaders had to have known this as well when they were passing these bills. It’s just common sense.

      On the US Department of Commerce's US Census Bureau website there's a graphic showing how our trade imbalance has gotten progressively worse over the entire period from 1989 to the present and how it's really accelerated at an increasely greater rate each year since 1999. We can thank our leaders and the WTO for that.

      See for yourself: www(dot)census(dot)gov(slash)foreign-trade(slash)balance(slash)c0004(dot)html

      We also need to bring customer support services back to the United States of America and staff them with employees who are US Citizens.

      The “Global Market Place” is not a level playing field! The whole idea of the tariffs is so we can pay our factory workers a decent wage and not be blown out by these other countries where they don’t play by the same rules.

      The bottom line is that “Our Government” has to protect domestic industry and the jobs that those industries provide. If they do that, the rest will take care of itself.

      We may have to pay a bit more for products made here in the USA by US citizens, but at least we'll still have jobs and a future for our children.

      December 30, 2013 at 8:35 pm | Reply
  17. Dr Tod Policandriotes

    I remember when I grew up that people made an increase in pay with experience and knowledge. It should be no different now. What is different is that corporations do not value experience and knowledge the same today as they did when CEO's were making less than a $ million per year. It seems to be a free for all for the management to make as much as they want while still paying those that actually make the products like they were paid 20 years ago. Time to pay people for their experience and knowledge properly.

    December 30, 2013 at 6:54 pm | Reply
    • ProtectAmericanJobs

      Can America bounce back after all the nonsense from the last 2-3 decades?

      Unfortunately most of our politicians are a frigging joke – Only it's not so funny, because over the past several decades, all they've been doing is screwing the American people, by stalling, spending, removing protections and allowing illegal aliens to continue to pour in and American jobs and industry to pour out, and all while collecting their American tax-payer funded pay checks, benefits and whatever else they get on the side from their various lobbyist friends.

      Our leaders better wake up and start putting some sensible measures in place to stem the tide or this is going to continue to have a devastating effect on America and American citizens.

      December 30, 2013 at 8:45 pm | Reply

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