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November 5th, 2013
07:53 PM ET

Brazile: Tea Party 'destructive'

Democratic political strategist Donna Brazile argues the Tea Party is selfish and destructive.

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  1. Bill

    America is tired of the only racist people left anymore, black liberals! Read the recent interview with Oprah. She's a complete racist and a hypocrite. She gets rich and ahead through hard work but then claims America won't let blacks get ahead. Black libs need to smarten up and fast. Blacks have done worse under Obama then any other president COMBINED in the last 50 years. Instead of spending time spouting off about the Tea Party, Republicans, Conservatives, or whoever, why don't they all just impress us by using their intelligence which they so vehemently claim is just as good as the white man's and take a good look at what's going on with their royal black president. BTW, you're not African Americans, you're Americans! You didn't immigrate from Africa, you were born here, so stop calling yourself African Americans like you are some entitled VIP! You're no better then any other American nor are you entitled to anything.

    November 17, 2013 at 1:38 pm | Reply
    • matthew grall

      My mother keeps saying there is alot of racism still in the United States and she is correct! The racism stems from the black community-they continue to play the race card-2/3 rds of these individuals were not alive or dont have any family that were alive during the period of slavery or injustice-the black community is the raciest group–look at the prisons –look at the news-look at everyday events-this is not profiling-these are facts!!!! If you dont like the white people we will leave-OOPS if the white folks leave we wont have welfare or food stamps or a strong economy to support our lazy rearends. Wake up people the world revolves around everyone-times are changing so embrace dont try to change SANTA or JESUS they are facts-you deserve what you earn not what AL Sharpton says you deserve!.

      December 17, 2013 at 7:14 pm | Reply
  2. ora pike

    obama lied and lied and lied--and the tea party is wrong????? we can never trust this president and should have known by his mentors who were card carrying communist and terrorist-hasn't anyone wondered why obama is so much for gay rights-find a woman named donna in his background to explain this- and obama for muslim rights and not Christian rights???? ITS THE VIDEO--YOU CAN KEEP YOUR INSURANCE POLICY AND THAT'S MY WORD-DID NOT KNOW ABOUT______________(fill in the blanks).

    November 11, 2013 at 3:57 pm | Reply
    • James

      Yes. The Teaparty is wrong. They enable a handful of very wealth greedy sociopaths to disrupt our democracy and they should educate themselves and stop.

      November 15, 2013 at 9:18 am | Reply
  3. RD

    Really Tea Party destructive? With current leadership BO deceiving millions of Americans to pass destructive health care law, causing millions to lose health care, with some people making life & death decisions because of it. CNN has a democratic shrill talk about the tea party. Its shows ideology matters only to CNN. The only thing that would be more destructive than letting current leadership run unabated to huge debts and crony payoffs, would be one party rule.
    Maybe after 2014 when democrat senators pay for price for their part of the lies & deceit, then the problem of corrupt & incompetent leadership can be solved by talking and enforcing the articles of Impeachment. Early retirement could be good for all.

    November 11, 2013 at 1:04 am | Reply
  4. SalisInUSA

    Many of our grandparents' parents came from Europe and other parts of the world for what reasons, remember, economic advancement and religious freedom. Religious freedom also included the right and desire to escape philosophical intolerance. Most of the sort of people in the FleaParty are the right wing delusionals who believe they are entitled to think and make decisions for others without consequence. They are like the ones who believe they have the right to deny voting rights to some racial or economic groups. It is is thievery of the darkest order. That is Who and What they are. The harm to civil society is immeasurable ...

    November 10, 2013 at 3:11 pm | Reply
    • Joe Fletcher

      I know of no Tea Party people who want to take away anyone's vote, there may be whack job somewhere but they definitely don't represent the whole. The only you could possibly be referring to is the idea of Voter ID which is a far cry from taking away anyone's vote. In this day and age the vast majority of every care and economic group have IDs and therefore would not lose the right to vote. Equating this to Poll taxes and Jim Crow laws and blaming conservatives and Tea Party groups of racism demonstrates your own bias and willingness to stereotype people. Voter ID is used by many countries around the world to prevent voter fraud. It is a legitimate step to take in order to prevent fraud. These bigoted attacks are shameful. Liberals make these claims but the present no evidence. You seem to be guilty of the same intolerance that you accuse others of.

      November 11, 2013 at 11:50 pm | Reply
      • ccoker

        You nailed it..

        November 12, 2013 at 10:25 am |
      • James

        Republicans have consistently conspired to deprive people of votes. Whether the Diebold scandal in Florida or the more recent Tea Party driven efforts. Republicans even brag of gerrymander voting districts - the purpose being to dilute the votes of opposition party. They have a demonstratable systemic record of voter supression - even in the House of Representatives itself.

        ---------
        Re: H Res 368 Oct 1 2013
        Van Hollen: “So, Mr. Speaker, just so I understand… H. Res 368 CHANGED THE STANDING RULES OF THE HOUSE TO TAKE AWAY FROM ANY MEMBER OF THE HOUSE THE PRIVILEGE OF CALLING UP THE SENATE BILL TO IMMEDIATELY REOPEN THE GOVERNMENT?”
        Jason Chavetz: "It did change the operation of the standing rule."
        "The Chair will not give an advisory opinion"
        "The House will follow H. Res. 368"
        Van Hollen: "The Rules Committee, under the Rules of the House, changed the Standing Rules of the House to take away the right of any member to move to vote to OPEN THE GOVERNMENT, and gave that right EXCLUSIVELY to the Republican leader, is that right?"
        Jason Chavetz: The House adoped that resolution (H. Res 368)
        Van Hollen: Democracy has been suspended.
        ---------

        MYTH: Voter ID laws are needed to combat fraud.
        FACT: There’s little evidence widespread voter fraud actually exists. A five-year investigation by President George W. Bush’s Department of Justice netted only 86 convictions for improper voting out of millions of votes cast."

        http://www.aflcio.org/content/download/3434/35953/MYTHS.pdf

        ---------

        "Across the country, Republican governors and legislators are pushing unnecessary and suppressive photo identification laws that would require all voters to produce a specific current government-issued photo ID before casting a ballot. The suppressive effects of these bills are well-documented: 11 percent of Americans—approximately 23 million citizens of voting age—lack proper photo ID and, as a result, could be turned away from the polls on Election Day. Those without photo ID are disproportionately low-income, disabled, minority, young, and older voters. Numerous non-partisan organizations have debunked claims of widespread voter fraud, the purported basis for these laws."

        http://www.democrats.org/the-real-cost-of-photo-id-laws

        November 13, 2013 at 3:17 pm |
  5. ProtectAmericanJobs

    Let's face it – Neither party is in control.

    Our economic problems didn't happen overnight. It's been happening over the past 25 years, but the economy was kept going by middle class Americans tapping into the equity on their homes until they were completely tapped out. Over the past 25 years both parties have sold out the bulk of the American citizens, who they're supposed to represent, by allowing the incursion of illegal aliens and the "out-sourcing" floodgates to open wider and wider without taking any sensible measures to stem the tide. Our leaders are elected by the Citizens of the United States of America to represent the interests of those citizens and the country itself. They are NOT elected by the Global Market Place or foreign citizens!

    The ONLY REAL FIX for Our Country is to Raise Revenue by Bringing Back Jobs to US Citizens who Pay Income Tax.

    Neither party (Dems or GOP/Tea-whatevers) really matters anymore, because they're not the ones that are really controlling our country. What we really need is for a group of Powerful Patriotic American businessmen (Like Perot was), moneymen and politicians to step up as Americans to take on the World Trade Organization and start turning things around for the good of Our Country and American Citizens. Americans need some of the Americans who are really pulling the strings in this country to start helping their own country and their fellow countrymen, but that'll mean having enough patriotism and guts to start taking on the WTO.

    Perot said it back in 1992 "Jobs getting sucked out of the country" – Many people saw it back then, but unfortunately too many people bought into the spin of "BS" that we were being sold. Seems that both parties were always able to distract and polarize voters with insignificant peripheral issues like gay marriage and abortion, which got most voters so caught up in the BS that they lost sight of the bigger picture.

    We need more Americans, like Perot tried to be, to get some sensible measures put in place to protect the America, the American economy and American jobs.

    On the US Department of Commerce's US Census Bureau website there's a graphic showing how our trade imbalance has gotten progressively worse over the entire period from 1989 to the present and how it's really accelerated at an increasely greater rate each year since 1999. We can thank our leaders and the WTO for that.

    See for yourself: www(dot)census(dot)gov(slash)foreign-trade(slash)balance(slash)c0004(dot)html

    Foreign Lobbyists here in the US promote sending US jobs to countries like China, where they work for slave wages, no benefits, no OSHA safety standards or no real environment regulations. It also doesn't help us compete when these company's factories are subsidized by China's communist government. Just check out the current Chinese extreme pollution issues – We all live in the same world, but not every country plays by the same rules.

    The bottom line is that "Our Government" has to protect domestic industry and the jobs that those industries provide. If they do that, the rest will take care of itself.

    We need to bring manufacturing back to the United States of America and both parties are ignoring tariffs as a way to level the playing field, raise money and bring jobs back home. Let's guess why. Oh that's right, tariff is a dirty word. Hum, maybe it's that our so called leaders (political leaders) are beholden to the same people who are exporting our jobs.

    I guess we should keep letting Corp Boards, Wall Street, CEOs and Foreign Lobbyists promote sending US jobs to countries where they work for slave wages, no benefits, no OSHA safety standards or no real environment regulations. How's that been working for us?

    The so called "Global Market Place" is not a level playing field. Companies may have made higher profits by "out sourcing", but they've been putting middle class Americans who are a good part of the world's customer base out of work. I'm not a lefty or member of any union. I run a business that employs over 20 people and produces products that are purchased by customers that do manufacturing and packaging. I'm just an average Joe, but I've been saying this for more than 15 years now. If I can see it, so can our so called leaders (political leaders) who are beholden to the same people who are exporting our jobs.

    And yes – I'm Angry with both parties – As are most American Citizens right now!

    I think it's really important that we start becoming the unsilent majority.

    We need to make smart cuts, but massive cutting just puts more people on unemployment, which just depresses the economy even further.

    Returning private sector jobs to American Citizens will provide income tax revenue to OUR Government versus our government having to pay unemployment benefits to those who would be jobless instead. We need our elected officials to Start Protecting American Jobs and do whatever it takes to bring back the jobs they let go. We need leaders who will actually stand up for the American people.

    The bottom line is that “Our Government” has to protect domestic industry and the jobs that those industries provide. If they do that, the rest will take care of itself.

    We may have to pay a bit more for products made here in the USA by US citizens, but at least we'll still have jobs and a future for our children.

    Again: The ONLY REAL FIX is to Raise Revenue, by Bringing Back Jobs to US Citizens who Pay Income Tax – If they don't put measures in place that will enable that to happen, we're screwed.

    November 8, 2013 at 8:14 pm | Reply
    • Robert

      I am a former business owner in manufacturing as well. I made a change in careers in the late 90's by choice and closed the business. I saw the same thing you did and even had competing products manufactured in Mexico and Taiwan – brought to me for upgrades and modifying. I made every real effort to buy all the base materials, supplies, and tooling products from other American Manufacturers because it does matter who builds these products. I also saw the preverbal "writing on the wall" when NAFTA was signed. It was a turning point for the middle class for the worse; it was also a turning point for the bad for what I guess were many thousands of small manufacturing concerns as well. I totally agree that in the absence of what some will call "protectionist" or "isolationist" laws that bring manufacturing back to our country from our resources – the U.S. economy is doomed to fail, or that our citizens are doomed to the living standards of the third world's middle class. As only three of many suggestions, but three important ones I believe: 1. Every retailer should have to publicly post the percentage of products in both dollar amount and in individual count that they sell that are made overseas, and 2. Every product sold in America should have a logo of the flag of the county of origin placed on it's product's face, and 3. The FTC should not allow any product to be labeled "made in the USA" unless all of the product materials and labor come from here.

      November 19, 2013 at 12:42 pm | Reply
  6. HoldThe ProfanityFool

    Democrats long ago gave up any masquerade of supporting traditional moral or God-honoring positions in their "platform". Their embrace of baby-killing necessarily and always casts a hypocritical pall over any other half-hearted lip service about "family values" the Democrats might utter. Many conservatives, and some Republicans are not quite ready to sell-out and surrender the cause of preserving American morality and the country's "Trust" in God. So they beat each other up over these questions. Looks like they're going to lose eventually. They are unarmed against a foe with no moral code. And then what? Tell us, Godless secularists. Tell us.

    November 8, 2013 at 5:09 pm | Reply
    • Annie

      The Tea party, mainly whites, oppose common sense Republicans and Democrats because they are racists. They hate the president because he is black and cannot stand having a black 1st lady. I am a Republican and am ashamed of the tea party, , but under the Constitution they have the right to express their opinion.

      November 8, 2013 at 6:41 pm | Reply
      • Garth

        We're not racist, we hate Biden too.

        Seriously "Annie", nobody here is buying that you are republican. That's an old liberal trick, come out and say you are republican but you are ashamed of your party in forums. Unless you're last name is McCain, then I'd believe you.

        November 8, 2013 at 8:04 pm |
      • ccoker

        You are dead wrong

        November 12, 2013 at 10:26 am |
      • dallas

        Wow, I would hate to be as simple minded and pathetic as you. I think you copied and pasted that comment from the liberal handbook of "the most over used lines of all time" Its because hes racisstttt, WAHGHGHGHGH haha

        November 12, 2013 at 4:04 pm |
      • Americanmexphil

        98% of all the Mexicans I know and 100% of my family would vote Tea Party before they would vote for the old guard Republicans or any progressive Democrat. Do you think because of our race we can't see where they're taking us?

        November 13, 2013 at 12:55 am |
  7. Maria Rivera-Carvalho

    I beg to diffe,r Ms. Brazile. The Tea Party is doing us a favor by taking all the nuts of the neo conservative movement under its wings. The real Republicans are few and in disarray, so we all win.

    November 8, 2013 at 4:47 pm | Reply
  8. California

    Obama is way more destructive.

    November 8, 2013 at 3:13 pm | Reply
  9. Garth

    Brazile – typical unqualified loud mouth stupid black woman whose only claim to fame is getting fired by the whacko MD in 1988. You know you are really stupid if MD fires you! She's probably never read a book in her life about what the tea party or any other passionate grass roots conservative group represents. Affirmitive Action is killing America, just look at this idiot!

    November 8, 2013 at 10:34 am | Reply
    • george

      Affirmative Action has saved America. What was America like before AA, if you were black? It freed White America to loosen the shackles of what was left from segregated America. While there are still plenty of racists in America, they no longer have the rule of law to support them. Remember that? Rule of Law. It is what allowed Sheriffs to let loose dogs on peaceful demonstrations, spy of protestors or civil rights workers, jail folks because they could without charges and practice discrimmation to a whole class of Americans. Go back to Germany, all you America hating Nazi's and KKK lovers.

      November 8, 2013 at 11:48 am | Reply
      • California

        Affirmative action is racist. Favoring anyone over another based on race is in fact racism.

        Have a nice day..

        November 8, 2013 at 3:15 pm |
      • M.A.P.

        @California – AA is there BECAUSE of the favouring of most CEO's to hire only other white men. It would be racist if there was already equality, the idea is to help even the playing field.

        November 9, 2013 at 10:40 am |
      • Bo Jengels

        Indeed, preferring one race over another is morally and politically wrong, even if done for a supposedly 'benign' purpose.

        November 11, 2013 at 10:43 pm |
  10. Scott

    The President's a nice enough guy. All the people around him have made a fool of him.

    November 7, 2013 at 2:19 am | Reply
  11. Scott

    Eckert in New Mexico who got the full body cavity search 6 times for rolling through a stop sign, will find Obamacare useful.

    Hold off on the lawsuit until December 1st, the date President Obama promises the ACA website will work. Obamacare will pay for the colonoscopy. I'm not making this up. A free colonoscopy.

    The cops that performed the 3 digital penetrations will get free manicures.

    November 7, 2013 at 2:18 am | Reply
    • Americanmexphil

      Could you believe what would be happening right now if this David Eckart was a black man instead of a white man?

      November 13, 2013 at 1:14 am | Reply
  12. California

    If you like your health care insurance you can keep it.

    Tell that to Edie Sundby.personally Mr. Obama

    November 6, 2013 at 9:34 pm | Reply
    • James

      President Obama made this generalization (that applies in the vast majority of cases) to respond to a series of outrageous flat out lies from well known "conservatives" that had absolutely zero basis in fact.

      Those flat out lies include claims of "death panels", "government run healthcare", "Washington beauracrats making your heathcare decisions instead of your doctor" and the list goes on and on and on. Many of them are being repeated even today by chronic liars such as Cruz.

      Republicans have a serious consistent problem with scale.

      You can be hit in the head by a raindrop or a meteor. You can claim they are both the same because in both instances you were hit in the head, but if it is the latter making the claim would be problematic.

      November 8, 2013 at 1:13 am | Reply
      • ryche

        Keep drinking that coolaid.. what could obama do to lose your support.. personally nut shot you... or would you still like him... The "lies" you have pinned up on the republicans are exactly what has already happened.. There is a panel that will decide end of life care. there's been govt run healthcare for years, and being that obamacare has ended millions of insurance polices, thus leaving people without the ability to use their current doctor, the govt has in fact gotten between the user and the doctor.. so you saying "flat out lies" is more liberal hyperbole.. like terrorist, arsonist, hostage taker, and more of the vile filth spewed by lefties.. so keep it up.. people are seeing who the real liar is, and thats the used car salesman this moronic country has for a president..

        November 11, 2013 at 11:57 pm |
      • jsmoulder

        It was not a generalization, He said if you liked it you could keep it. Keep spinning the lies, that is all that liberals know how to do.

        November 12, 2013 at 2:04 pm |
      • James

        ryche,

        I like Kool Aid. Prefer Black Cherry but I really fail to see how that is remotely relevant.

        Sarah Palin's claim concerning the Affordable care act was,

        "The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama’s “death panel” so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their “level of productivity in society,” whether they are worthy of health care."

        http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=113851103434

        The same claim has been paraphrased and repeated many times by Republicans. You can research it yourself if you need to. I'm not doing all of the work for you. If you mean something different by "death panel" then let’s hear it. That one is obviously a lie. I read the ACA. What she said is not in it. Anywhere. That makes it a lie.

        You claim that because an insurance company drops a policy rather than just raising the standard in the policy, Obama lied and government has "gotten between the user and the doctor." Actually, the government has gotten in the way of companies that are skilled at selling junk policies - to make sure that people have the healthcare they need. That's not a bad thing. It's a good thing. I'm sure some companies are upset that they won't be allowed to swindle people anymore and they can get a dig in against Obama by dropping the policy. Blame who you want.

        My personal opinion of Obama is he is a moderate democrat and he is doing an exceptionally good job. Many people criticizing him today will be very thankful for his policies in years to come. He certainly isn't liberal. If he was, he would have gone with single payer like Kucinich and others advocated and dropped insurance companies from the loop.

        Finally, President Obama would lose my support quickly if he started two unnecessary wars with a BS justifications like WMD and "They hate our freedoms", gutted Glas-Segal protections of the Commodities Futures Modernization Act to enable the very rich to loot taxpayers to the tune of 400 trillion dollars, greatly diminished the rights of people to sue for real damages under the excuse of "tort reform" as well as the right to file bankruptcy to get out of oppressive unfair debt, to name a few.

        I'm sorry to hear you were nut shot - I suppose that is a hazard in gun and nut country. I'm glad you survived anyway.

        November 13, 2013 at 8:56 am |
  13. Gunderson

    Well,
    If Being Fiscally Responsible is destructive then I'm for it. The "Tea Party" isn't destroying the Country. The Liberal's set that in motion 100 years ago.Today you see the results. Get real Brazille.

    November 6, 2013 at 4:32 pm | Reply
  14. Mainer

    What I dispise the most about the TP is their absolute hate for anyone not like them. They profess to be "christian" yet loath the sick, poor and elderly. 2014 is going to be a very bad year for the GOP because of the Tea party, I'm an employed Green, and i absolutely can not stand the TP.

    November 6, 2013 at 2:27 pm | Reply
    • HS

      The Tea Party loathes the sick, poor, and elderly? You've been watching too much CNN. Don't tell me you actually BELIEVE all that crap, do you? Can you at least qualify that statement with some data and/or anecdotes? If you can't, then your beliefs are bankrupt.

      November 6, 2013 at 5:30 pm | Reply
      • Kath

        I suspect nothing would sway you, but I'm looking at a tea party candidate right now, Alabama-Young; ignorant and I mean truly uneducated, forget the bible comments. just no place for religion in government. What may have started as a 'joint' effort to lower spending, who knows, morphed into a rabid evangelical and frankly dangerous fringe incapable of representing all Americans. simply choosing to shut down the government or worse, failing to address the debt ceiling without any idea of global economic implications, or worse, not caring......just can't support these folks at all.

        November 6, 2013 at 8:45 pm |
      • mediafail.2012

        To Kath: The "Tea Party" candidate in Alabama? You mean the one CNN brought up the other day and then at the end of the paragraph noted that the largest Tea Party groups and most well known Tea Party people would have NOTHING to do with him? Funny you should try and link him to the Tea Party when the Tea Party has snubbed him. So stop trying to paint the whole Tea Party by putting up an idiot that they have nothing to do with.

        That is unless you have no problem lying since the Tea Party is opposing you politically...

        November 9, 2013 at 11:52 am |
      • ryche

        "That is unless you have no problem lying since the Tea Party is opposing you politically..."

        That is the most basic tenant of a liberal.. Name calling and obfuscating.. Because some douche holding a sign at some random rally, all of a sudden all TP's are racist.. it's more hyperbole that the left is famous for.. The tp will and always will stand for ECONOMIC responsibility.. any other bonehead claiming anything else and calling themselves a teapartier, is the equivalent of painting stripes on yourself and saying you're a zebra.

        November 12, 2013 at 12:03 am |
  15. california

    Obama Secret Service Agent: “It’s Worse Than People Know… and I’m Not Trying to Scare You Either”

    Mac Slavo
    SHTFplan.com
    November 6, 2013

    You may have your suspicions about what’s going on behind closed doors at the White House.
    But according to one of President Obama’s former body guards it’s much worse than we can even imagine.

    Dan Bongino has protected numerous Presidents over his career, including President Obama. He has been within ear-shot of many a discussion in the Oval Office, but up until this administration has stayed out of the lime light. Apparently, however, the activities of this administration are so abhorrent that he could no longer keep quiet.

    Bongino is so upset with what he witnessed that he is now running for Congress because he feels it’s the only way to take America back from the sycophants who have made every effort to enrich themselves with money and power at the expense of the American people.

    How bad is it?

    November 6, 2013 at 11:10 am | Reply
  16. california

    Obama, destructive.
    Obama liar

    November 6, 2013 at 11:08 am | Reply
    • The REAL Truth...

      Well, that was the usual right wing Tea Party intelligence-level commentary..
      How about -
      Tea Party – destructive
      Tea Party – liars, extortionists..

      November 6, 2013 at 11:49 am | Reply
      • Dan

        Based on what? Oh yeah, Tea Party wants government to stop spending, wants a strong economy. Baffling in American that an extremely Pro-American, Constitution group is attacked. I guess if they would go and wreck a park and be unemployed it would be different.

        November 6, 2013 at 12:12 pm |
  17. Bubba

    Jesus loves, Jesus forgives, Jesus cares for. Unless you believe in the GOP Jesus, because He hates minorities and only loves white business owners.

    November 6, 2013 at 10:19 am | Reply
  18. Don

    The Tea Party is destructive, crazy and dangerous to this country.

    November 6, 2013 at 7:52 am | Reply
  19. Free Man in the Republic of Texas

    Brazile: Tea Party 'destructive'

    TEA PARTY ???
    WHAT TEA PARTY ???

    Nancy Pelosi TOLD us it was just Astro-Turf
    nothing to see here... move along....

    OCCU-POOPERS... NOW they are the REAL americans

    November 6, 2013 at 7:14 am | Reply
    • Kath

      also from texas....can't ever support the tea party-once they 'came out' as evangelicals unable to govern for all Americans they lost even my smallest interest. Truly Cruz and his father are hallmarks of the tea party; so if that is what you want and you believe our government is evil, minorities are all lazy, liberals are all takers and socialists, or marxists or whatever then there you are.
      i believe in education, and job bills; I know people legitimately need help, I do not believe in destroying SS or Medicare; I know 900,000 vets alone use food stamps, I believe my christian religion is not the only religion, I firmly believe that evolution and Christianity are not mutually exclusive; I believe our country wisely kept religion out of government, I know science supports climate change; while I'm not pro-abortion, it is my right to determine my body's function, I know our government is unable to effectively function while the tea party dictates to the House; and I believe the historic republican party no longer exists, which frankly is problematic for our two party system.

      November 6, 2013 at 9:03 pm | Reply
  20. Daniel6

    Donna is projecting as progressives are prone to do-A group of Americans pointing out that we are living beyond our means–and THEY are the selfish ones--sad

    November 6, 2013 at 6:40 am | Reply
    • The REAL Truth...

      NEWSFLASH: BOTH Parties KNOW we are living beyond our means.. it has nothing do to with being progressive or conservative. The problem is also simple.. Congress KEEPS SPENDING!! But THEY both agree we needs cuts.. and that's where the divergence comes in. Neither side wants their pet legislation touched... THEY ARE DYSFUNCTIONAL!!!
      Vote OUT EVERY incumbent next time... a random group of elected people could do a better job.. and NO! This has nothing to do with who is President.

      November 6, 2013 at 11:52 am | Reply
  21. TBONE

    Teaparty is just another extreme right wing bought and paid for by miilionaires like Dick Armey and his organization and billiionaires like the Koch Brothers. The sad thing is that they had a good idea of shaking up the establishment, but I think once all it came out, the people that were involved in the tea party and their good intentions got overshadowed by the extreme radical elements of what is now the overall Tea Party. Being an independent moderate who used to be GOP, and no more, I feel the two party system is broken. I say no more Bushes in politics and no more Clintons in politics. I say Hillary had her chance and served her time. Time to leave her in retirement land. I can think of many more qualified unknown women out there that could be qualified to run for politics and President. Tea Party needs to clean its own house up and get rid of the racist bigotry element. Being an independent, this party is a complete embarrassment to my country. I hope the next crop of candidates running brand new have common sense and sway away from these people. Only after enough elections will they get the message that no one wants them around and eventually they will go back in their caves and spew their hatred and bigotry in their own basements.

    November 6, 2013 at 4:28 am | Reply
  22. Nora

    Not selfish, just self aware. I think the voice of the so called tea party has been invigorating, energizing and necessary for dialogue, awareness and snapping people out of their numbness. The brainwashed freaks of the nation just can't see the forest for the trees and will just bob their heads in unison cause the party says to do it. In the meantime we're losing our youth to apathy, losing our moral values to liberal ideology, losing our financial stability to radical spending idiots. I like that hte tea party is out there stirring things up, being bold and brazen and thinkng outside the box. Not all Americans are of one of the two parties or all gung ho about the status quo. Change is good. Diversity is good. I hope they stick around, get stronger, work on true policy planning, and keep their sizzle.

    November 5, 2013 at 10:19 pm | Reply
    • TBONE

      Nora unfortunately, their not invigorating to me or energizing and their not the necessary voice we need to move the country forward. Veterans like me got thrown underneath the bus because of their candidates who are in Congress decide to shut the government down to prove a ideological point. After 20 long years of this nonsense I think they had their chance. If you look at their backers, banked by Dick Armey and his organization and Koch Brothers who are billionaires, its clearly evident that their just another extreme right wing hand who are sour grapes over the fact a non white man is in the white house. If your going to point out liberal values, you need to balance your criticism to conservative values as well as their not perfect either. What we need is not another party influencing and speaking for the majority of us because we already have a two party system broken as it is, what we need is clean up both parties and I think voting all incumbents out starting in 2014 is a good start. Change is good yes. Diversity is good I agree. Having them stick around is like hoping Grover Norquist sticks around and runs for president. Its already becoming evident that their becoming weaker and not stronger as more newer candidates are running against them as people in the Republican party see their toxic and too radical in this country. Tea party is really out there for themselves and in time I only see them fizzling not sizzling. I think what we need is more politicians like Bob Dole or Gingrich or George Bush Sr. or to be fair to Democrats, a Bill Clinton or former speaker Foley. Tea Party is not really the solution but really after the shut down is really part of the problem why we have a two party system that is broken. House cleaning is in order.

      November 6, 2013 at 4:38 am | Reply
      • TBONE

        and wanted to add that I am an independent moderate who stopped being Republican because of the nonsense Bush put us thru in 2000s. I gave Obama two chances, and we can see how that has worked out, and after Obama bowing to Republican demands on tax increases in 2011 strike one, then Obama almost decided to go send our troops over to Syria, strike two, and finally admitting a lie on the ACA final strike and no more support for this current president, I decided that any good candidate, not Clinton or another Bush, I will be voting for someone new entirely. Hopefully we get some good candidates out there starting for Congress and Senate in 2014 and then in 2016 have some new faces come into the spotlight for 2016.

        November 6, 2013 at 4:43 am |
      • The REAL Truth...

        Obama NEVER had any intention of going to war in Syria.. sorry. That was merely to get your and the Russians attention (since they mostly fund Assad). Obama met with Putin and obviously came to some agreement.. the basics of which you have now seen... UN Security Council supports the removal of Assad's chemical weapons, and pays for it. Putin gets to rant in the NYT op-ed to save face back home. Not one US life was lost, not one missile fired, nor are the military going to into Syria. I'd say you need to give credit where credit is due..

        November 6, 2013 at 11:59 am |
      • mediafail.2012

        If you think that the Tea Party was started by Dick Army or the Koch brother then you have been reading and believeing nothing but liberal blogs and sites since they came into being. Oh and tell me, did you get backpay when the government was shut down? Did you miss any meals? Did you get threatened to get kicked out of your home in the TWO WEEKS that only 87% of the federal was working?

        You very well may think you are independent, but your information comes from liberal sources only. As such your decisions, at the very least, are skewed towards liberal by default.

        November 9, 2013 at 11:57 am |
    • James

      The only thing surprising about the “tea party” is their unmitigated gall and hypocrisy in presuming to hold the "moral high ground" in flat defiance of the facts and the most fundamental precepts of the very religion they profess. Because of this misplaced “morality” our country is besieged with more guns than people, millions are not insured and thousands of them are left to die every year for the want of health insurance, and repressive laws imprison people and break up families who have done no wrong to any person while programs that actually help millions of adults and children are defunded. These are “moral” conditions the tea party seeks to preserve and even advance while they miss the very meaning of the word.

      Their narrow minded tunnel vision prevents more intelligent real solutions to problems. Putting people in jail because they are self medicating on alcohol and drugs because they can’t get decent healthcare is a vicious cycle that is more expensive than actually solving the problem. Many of abortion decisions are made over economic considerations including healthcare – so increasing the minimum wage and supporting the ACA may do more to reduce the number of abortions than jails, laws and all of the repressive policies of the tea party combined.

      In the 1920s the people of Germany had a chance to stop Nazism and avoid the devastation that would follow by 1945. It is nothing new. Gott mitt uns?

      November 6, 2013 at 9:46 am | Reply
      • Dan

        The ONLY party comparable to the Nazi's are the Democrats. Socialist, Marxist, Communist, and Fascist Policies. Violating peoples rights and attacking anyone who dare stand up to them and defend the Constitution and the benefits of a Constitutional Republic.

        If you are too ignorant to see that, then you are heading on the right path with Obama and his administration.

        ACA, COSTS A LOT MORE THAN WHAT PEOPLE USED TO HAVE.

        People have to make a decision about their economics on abortions should be using birth control or abstaining. If they don't want a baby, they can give it up for adoption, so your points there are just ludicrous.

        As far as self medicating with alcohol or drugs, sounds like you are heavily into that rational. Enjoy.

        November 6, 2013 at 12:28 pm |
      • James

        Dan,

        Nazis were fighting socialists in the streets of Berlin long before they were able to take control of Germany. When you use labels you have to know what they mean. If you just clump them all together like that, it says a lot more about you than it says about me.

        But I certainly agree with you that Obama is heading in the right direction. Personally, I'm happy to see it.

        But, I'm afraid I can't agree with you that ACA costs more than what people used to have. The data I see is most people who are actually signed up and not just checking right-wing bloggers (You can use "fascist" there BTW - fascism is a right wing thing) are saving a lot and have far better coverage than before.

        In your next paragraph I think you missed one of your talking points. You are supposed to be against birth control as well. You know - you're supposed to be agruing that "other people" should be "abstaining".

        Oh - final point - you misunderstood. The comment there was about a close relative. She was diagnosed as having a thyroid condition by the local "health care for poor folk" clinic.

        Three years later she collapsed on the floor with a broken hip and lay there in and out on consciousness until a neighbor found her the next day. She was taken to a hospital and fortunately the bone cancer had advanced enough by then that it could be diagnosed without expensive tests. She died a couple of weeks later.

        After being diagnosed with her thyroid condition - which explained the weight loss and her hair falling out - she was using alchohol and pain killers to try to deal with the pain. Then, she was arrested for DUI and ultimately messed up her probation. I suppose she should have been better at handling the pain, really. That was probably a character flaw. So the State of Texas put her in prison for a year to punish her for her lack of responsibily.

        You have to appreciate the humor.

        November 6, 2013 at 2:28 pm |
      • mediafail.2012

        To James: The Nazis were killing socialists because they didn't go far enough. Hitler himself is quoted as saying he was a socialist. The socialists that were being killed opposed fascist-level socialism. Don't try to make it sound like Nazi Germany wasn't socialist. Socialism is the root of Fascism, Marxism, and Communism.

        November 9, 2013 at 12:02 pm |
      • James

        Because they didn't go far enough? You must be joking. The Nazis didn't have any interest in the redistribution of wealth or equality of races. The wealth of the German aristocracy and private ownership of banking was preserved (except for the Jews) and the writings of Marx and other prominent socialists were burned and banned. And they busted unions and collective bargaining rights earned in the Weimar Republic.

        What is fascist-level socialism? Those are political extremes - opposites. It would be like a cat level dog, mouse level cat or a positive level negative. I don't see how you get anywhere confusing the meaning of words like that unless you want to argue that a cow is actually a horse despite the obvious.

        Briefly, fascism is the political extreme right-wing - characterized as totalitarian, militaristic and ultra-nationalist, subordinating individual needs to the will of the state. Socialism is the opposite, seeking to balance economics and opportunity fairly among people without regard to race, class or national origin to promote a fairly treated working class. All governments exhibit elements of both but overall, one or the other is prominent.

        You can say Hitler was socialist because of the Mayday celebration maybe, but labor unions were dissolved the following day and union leaders arrested. And, in 1929 Hitler recanted on the speech he gave in 1927 when he claimed to be socialist. He wasn't.

        November 10, 2013 at 2:26 pm |

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