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October 30th, 2013
11:03 AM ET

Kristol: It'll hurt if Obamacare works

Conservative columnist Bill Kristol says Obamacare is big government social engineering. Rep. Keith Ellison disagrees.

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  1. California

    That is an "IF" that will never come to fruition.

    November 15, 2013 at 3:09 pm | Reply
  2. HeavyMetal61

    Of course the website will eventually work. However once people are able to log in there are going fall to floor when they find out how much it is going to cost them. Last time I checked the USA was a free country. I do not need a Socialist administration telling me how to manage my well being.

    November 10, 2013 at 8:51 am | Reply
    • grf67

      You do if I have to continue to pay for your health care at the emergency room.

      November 14, 2013 at 6:00 pm | Reply
    • Lynette Edwin

      Well,well, well. Throughout my life in the United States – 35 years, I have never seen such venom and unreasonable ideas proliferate the media. I am a foreigner, now 55 years old and I have a graduate degree in social science. I follow politics avidly. I consider myself a conservative, but I have voted for President Obama. I have campaigned for him. I never voted for George Bush Junior, but voted for Ronald Reagan, Bush senior and Clinton.

      I WORK in the medical industry. I have very long and strong experience with people who need health care, and with INSURANCE COMPANIES.

      The most confusing part of this conversation is why people who were ever patients, or have had family members who were sick, or people who are consultants and have to rely on their spouse's insurance for coverage, why these people do not SPEAK UP. Where are all the diabetics and heart paients who did not purchase Rolls Royce coverage. Where are all the nurses and doctors and Radiology workers, and the processing clerks at Doctor's offices? I know, they don't have the platform.... CNN only gives the podium to some people. CNN, I used to respect, now, as I look at the programs, I have lost all interest except for the few minutes of breaking news. But I will find new sources of news.

      I have witnessed patients being denied by the insurance companies for the following reasons:

      – No MRI of the breast, even through the patient has fibrocystic breast, unless there is a family history of breast cancer.
      – A diabetic went to have a toe amputation, and the insurance refused to cover the poor elderly gentleman.
      They would agree to amputate the entire leg so that the patient would never become a future liability.
      – The insurance would not pay for a brain CAT scan even if the patient has severe headache unless the patient
      shows up in the emergency room.
      – The Insurance company would not reimburse doctors in poor neighborhoods in a timely manner if t there is a small error in submitting claims. They would find and make excuses for minor error in claim forms. I could not believe it at first.

      People may need to become ill before they support the Affordable care act. That may just be the way it has to be. It's like global warming. The republicans lost over 10 years of valuable time, denying us – the world the information we needed to make changes in the environment so that we could reduce our carbon footprint.

      As is usually the case, people pay to learn.
      Some people are deliberately misleading the public and others really don't understand. How many people who show up on TV for the discussion, really understand what is involved? Fortunately, I have tried to read as much as I can on the subject. It could be tedious, but unless people understand they should admit that they don't understand and don't use the media for their own agenda.

      ANOTHER thing, I don't understand how people don't get this: They all say that the WEBSITE failed therefore OBAMACARE is a failure.
      Now what this says to me at least is that those who get on TV even the anchors have poor reasoning skills, or they are prostitutes of the media company they work for, just repeating the lines they are told to repeat. What is does is put a glaring light on the subjects – Politians, TV anchors et cetra. It is such a show that I think that very quickly reasonable people will dismiss politicians and media puppets .

      Do these people really think that if the OBAMACARE website does not work, that the Affordable care act is unsuccessful? My GOD. They all could not be that unreasonable.

      Anyway, I know that Good always trumps evil. Good trumps vindictive efforts. Good trumps deception. Good trumps misinformation and lies.

      When I see old, feeble, helpless patients who are in misery, whose bodies are twisted, and have no voluntary functions, and who are constantly in pain. I ask myself, what did this person do to deserve this? Is it possible that this was a man who denied a black person a job, Who humiliated a black or old person, who slapped a child angrily. I look at these people who are clearly deceptive and appear to not want President Obama to succeed only because of who he is.... I look at them and I wonder if they would be the patient looking up at me from the hospital bed, surrounded by stench, and in pain, wishing to take back the evil he had done....I wonder all the time. Anyway......

      November 15, 2013 at 11:56 am | Reply
      • FS

        Wow, so basically anyone who suffers or is in pain is suspect (in your twisted opinion) of some sort of bigotry, racism, or child abuse in their past? You chose to pre-judge, or at least suspect, a person's entire life history based on your inability to comprehend that suffering may be part of life that both good and bad people go through? Your reasoning is very shallow, and the worst kind of bigotry and prejudice that can possibly exist. The fact that you chose to let your thoughts be made public further solidifies your ignorance and insensitivity to those who suffer. You need an attitude adjustment, and I believe it will come to you in this life. When you find yourself suffering for no explainable reason, consider that those who are providing care for you may also be wondering what evil you must have done to deserve your fate. You may then adjust your attitude towards others. Just because you have witnessed suffering doesn't mean you have any true understanding. I hope you will find it.

        November 15, 2013 at 7:45 pm |
    • Lynette Edwin

      '61, were you born in 1961?. Well, you are getting there buddy. You will know what it means to be at the mercy of the insurance company in due time. Count yourself lucky if you are not there yet. Do you know how easy it is to...... Do you know today that there isn't a cancer growing in your body. Do you know when it may show up. You want to get a first had account of how the Insurance company operates? Do you want a list of disease symptoms that could get your heart pounding from fear?

      Do you have children? Are they all well and would they all continue to be well?.

      I'll tell you something. I believe that maybe this may be a good thing after all.... All the naysayers to OBAMACARE. It could force the insurance companies to do the right thing. They would be too ashamed to not do the right thing just about now.

      If President Obama is as smart as I know he is, he may want to just cancel OBAMACARE and watch people scream about the Insurance companies policies, or watch the Insurance companies make drastic changes to accommodate sick people.

      And by the way, what does Socialism have to do with anything. You people are just regurgitating what you hear others say. Where is the socialism in the Affordable Care Act. Then I suppose you live in a socialist state because retired people get social security benefits. I suppose it is a socialist country because the government provides trains and busses for the population, and public housing, and public schools. Are you with me? Do you know what Socialism is buddy. Well, read a little. Don't just listen to people speak. That's easy. READ and understand some things yourself.

      November 15, 2013 at 12:11 pm | Reply
      • FS

        Lynette, do you realize how judgmental and prejudiced you are toward those who disagree with you? You are pretty much ranting in a way that makes you as bad as those you condemn. Healthcare in our country is a very complex issue that will not have any easy solution. First, we have created the most advanced health care system in the world while at the same time having many deficiencies in availability to some. Second, healthcare is an extremely demanding profession that is never "free" no matter how much we all wish it could be. Third, we have a growing problem with many preventable diseases (such as obesity) as well as misuse of resources (such as those who get addicted to pain meds and lie to keep getting them) that are placing an enormous burden on the system unnecessarily. Attempts to provide "universal" health care may help many who deserve it, but may also enable wasteful and abusive tendencies from those who do not feel they have any responsibility for their own well-being and those who have no respect for ensuring they use the system correctly. Moreover, it is without question that a "universal" system will place a larger financial burden on young, healthy males than they currently have under the system as it is. However, it seems politicians aren't really concerned with this demographic, because they don't really 'vote' anyway – and if they do, they cannot be swayed as easily with simple perks. The current free-market system is not the real enemy to affordable healthcare for the vast majority of people. The real enemies are those who abuse the system and/or abuse their bodies by not disciplining themselves to stay reasonably healthy in our modern age where physical exertion on a daily basis is optional. Offering universal care won't necessarily solve these problems, and may end-up giving all of us less healthcare due to a system that is overburdened and ends up being rationed. I find it very hard to believe that all insurance companies are 'evil' as you seem to believe – the problems are at least as much the fault of the consumers as they are the insurance companies.

        November 15, 2013 at 8:18 pm |
  3. Sam

    I cannot understand why people can't just give it a chance, there is fair reason to believe the ACA will work, there is similar systems all over the world. Take the NHS in the United Kingdom for example, I break my leg and I can go to my local Hospital free of charge. Many people do still use a private health service which has priority in many cases but the majority of the population use the NHS and I for one dont mind that small price I pay. It works guys, give it a chance.

    November 7, 2013 at 7:10 am | Reply
    • FG

      Sam, you really need to read much deeper into the law. Your statement that there is fair reason to believe that it will work is actually unfounded. The law attempted to go after too much, too fast, and as a result is riddled with loopholes and counter punches. For example, the law made existing policies illegal. The law forced married couples to pay an extra $10K. The law does not stop insurance companies from raising prices to recoup the losses that Obamacare forces on them, directly. It goes on and on and on. You can't fix this with little patches, here and there. It can only be successfully fixed by tearing it completely down, putting a bunch of very smart and very willing people in a room for a number of years, and then retrying. Otherwise, it's a very broken system with no way good way to patch it up.

      Democrats like Stephanie Cutter constantly criticize Republicans for now wanting to the her and other democrats fix this nightmare that she and her party created and pushed. There's a reason they won't help... The law is "broken and unfixable" the way it is. She'll argue otherwise, however she's never actually delivered any real solutions and doesn't understand the complexities of what it really takes to do so. Case in point... The failed Obamacare Web Site. It's what happens when unqualified people take on something they really don't understand.

      November 12, 2013 at 11:45 pm | Reply
      • FG

        I meant to start the second paragraph with: "Democrats like Stephanie Cutter constantly criticize Republicans for not wanting to help her and other..." Sorry for hitting submit before catching it.

        November 12, 2013 at 11:47 pm |
      • Lynette Edwin

        FG, have YOU read deeply. Why would President OBAMA, why would anyone want to make a mess of things this way. Did you know that these are the same issues that surrounded the inception of Medicaid and Medicare years ago. How do you know it would not work. WHO are the smart people to get in a room. Certainly not the republicans and Tea Party people. Not the loudmouths like Sarah Palin.... who are against the ACA. Furthermore, how could no one see this coming. Why just now.... in October? A bunch of people all yapping at once, regurgitating what the other people are saying. To the rest of the world, Americans are just fairly wealth, but dumb. I know. I travel the world. The Caribbean are taking the tourist dollars and laughing at Americans.

        November 15, 2013 at 12:26 pm |
    • FS

      The system in the UK is so vastly substandard compared to the U.S. that it is never brought-up by our politicians. The amount of tax taken from your salaries is something our society would never accept. Your system is rationed and leaves most consumers at the mercy of "bed availability" – even for major surgeries. You really don't understand because you haven't experienced life in the USA as most working class families do. We are FAR better-off than the antiquated NHS system in the UK. If Obama ever mentioned the NHS as a model, he would immediately fail to pass anything. Since all you will ever know of the US system will come from news headlines, you will never understand the real issues. Our Hospitals will lead the world for the next 100 years. No Americans fly to the UK to get advanced medical care – yet it happens all the time the other way around. Spend some time on Wikipedia and learn.

      November 15, 2013 at 8:25 pm | Reply
    • Steve Hamilton

      Sam: All of this discussion will turn out to be a tempest in a teapot. By the end of June 2014, I believe about 75% of citizens eligible for the ACA will be enrolled. Pareto's rule would be expected to apply to that group, so 80% would like the ACA and 20% wouldn't. by the time of the 2014 elections, the ACA will be a non issue. What will be more important will be the demise of gerrymandering in Q1 and the lowering of America's credit rating by two levels, causing a 200 basis points increase in America's borrowing costs. Also, let's not forget the threat of the business community and its lobbyists that they will not support or fund far right candidates.

      November 27, 2013 at 6:17 pm | Reply
      • Lynette

        These talking heads on Crossfire are so disingenuous that it shows up in their silly grins..... all of them. They just grin when the cameras are turned on them....No wonder CNN has been slumping in the polls. They entertain conservatives whose only intention is to discredit President Obama. They are dishonest and it shows on their face. They don't even try to be reasonable. How in God's name do you say that the program is defective because the tool (which could have been sabotaged) does not work. The House is no good because the screwdriver is crooked? So get a new screwdriver or fix it. It is insulting to intelligent Americans. Of course there are those who don't think and will be led down to their grave following the wrong man. They regurgitate, they have no interest in learning for themselves.... Even people who could benefit from Obamacare are hurting themselves through stupidity.

        December 1, 2013 at 11:53 am |
  4. John

    Thanks for just about any other great post.
    John http://aerobiology.telebookmarks.com/story.php?title=google-sniper-2-0-review

    November 7, 2013 at 7:01 am | Reply
  5. RA

    Duffer, relax. All they've got is this kind of empty statement. We have reason and decency.

    November 5, 2013 at 12:43 pm | Reply
  6. JR

    Succeed or fail is such a subjective thing to different people. If we are judging success by getting people with pre-existing conditions insurance, then sure it can succeed. If we are judging it by heavily subsidizing insurance for low income people, then sure, it will probably succeed. But what if we judge these benefits by the promised cost? It is already over budget so it has failed in that regard already. So many people are first order thinkers and look only at the surface. What about the economic impacts it's causing by encouraging so many small businesses to shift employees to part time status? There will be many other unintended consequences of the AFA that will be lost on the simple thinkers.

    November 4, 2013 at 7:04 pm | Reply
    • RA

      Some keep looking deeper and deeper to find a reason to undermine the universal benefit. Just say you don't like anything Obama does or says. Many did the same and still hate SS, but it became the "third rail".
      You lose again.

      November 5, 2013 at 11:56 am | Reply
  7. Jules

    Of course it will hurt the GOP if Obamacare works. They have done everything they could do to get rid of it and if it works great and people really end up liking it, the fact that the Affordable Care Act is known as Obamacare will always be a reminder on how desperate the GOP was to stand in the way of helping the middle class and the poor to get health insurance. Imagine, everyone who now has a baby born with a defect or illness now will have coverage with no cap so the family will not have to face destitution to care for their child medically.

    November 4, 2013 at 3:42 pm | Reply
  8. Mike Texoma

    Mr. Kristol is justifiably sick about it. These computer glitches will be fixed, and the obvious advantages of Obamacare over the old insurance regimen will become apparent. The GOP needs to be worried about 2016. And I believe the pundits have grossly underestimated the importance of the black factor. If Obamacare does win, the GOP will be a long time digging out.

    November 3, 2013 at 8:05 pm | Reply
    • Steve Hamilton

      Mike Texoma: Amen brother. Plus, here's a partial list of the other voter blocs the GOP has alienated: hourly workers, women, the unemployed, Hispanics, Asian and Indian immigrants, students and their parents, voters age 21 -26 and their parents, the old, the poor, union members, government employees, military personnel, persons with pre-existing conditions.

      November 27, 2013 at 6:25 pm | Reply
  9. Maria Rivera-Carvalho

    Mr. Krystol just spelled out the biggest Republican fear. Memo to GOPers: Be afraid, very afraid, and then some. You have created your own downfall. People are beginning to realize that what is bad for Republicans is good for the country.

    November 1, 2013 at 5:53 pm | Reply
    • TK

      Millions of Americans are losing their preferred health insurance because of ACA and many more Americans are facing increasing prices for their insurance. Take Americans money and their freedom, so few can benefit.

      November 3, 2013 at 6:50 pm | Reply
      • Jules

        It might be their preferred insurance right now, but their insurance does not meet minimum standards so in the long run, they might be really glad they got different insurance especially if a chronic illness and/or hospital stays are in their future.

        November 4, 2013 at 3:43 pm |
      • Flotsam

        You act if this is something new. This has been going on for years that people were dropped from coverage once they had an ailment and lots of people had problems getting insurance once they were in that situation. They were left to fend for themselves and often if they could find affordable insurance.

        Even working continuously for a single employer i have had to get new insurance and different doctors if they didn't happen to take that insurance. This was for private insurance. So it was perhaps a bit of an overreach for Obama to claim nothing would change as he certainly does not (nor does the ACA) dictate that all insurance be kept intact. Insurance Companies are constantly entering and leaving the insurance marketplace and the only thing the ACA can dictate that there is some minimal standard for those policies.

        November 4, 2013 at 3:58 pm |
    • RA

      Wish I'd said that.

      November 5, 2013 at 11:58 am | Reply
  10. BDR

    Republican's are on the verge of oblivion.
    As the mirrage crumbles and the true face of the GOP continues to emerges even the poor white trash will come to know their party leaders for the brazenly reckless irresponsible group of emotionally challenged intellectual children they have become.

    November 1, 2013 at 11:37 am | Reply
    • Bill T.

      Well how about the "DEATH PANELS", that may accompany the new healthcare law. Nobodys talking about those-yet.
      Under IPAB, a new panel will be appointed to bring healthcare costs under control. The panel is not subject to anyone.
      It starts in 2015(non-election year)maybe.The panel must bring costs under control period. Put IPAB in your browser &
      read. It talks about "ESSENTIAL HEALTH BENEFITS". It doesn't say what they are yet. Also, keep in mind that all you
      love and or care about may be left to die as the panel will decide if the operation needed is to costly. And all they need
      to do is to say no. Or price the operation to low for the hospital and or doctor to perform same. So its the real deal-by
      the way...I'm a democrat not liking this deal at all. Forget the politics...whats a life worth.

      November 4, 2013 at 1:45 pm | Reply
      • RA

        The insurance co's had death panels for years. Difference now is they will be working for us not stockholders.
        Would you trust a civil servant or a stockholder representative? Who will look after you best?

        November 5, 2013 at 12:02 pm |
    • Vonnise Cobb

      The website is only the top layer of the problems. When you scrape that away, we find insurance we don't like at prices we can't afford. Republicans and conservatives have nothing to do with the burning hot feeling we get when we realize we have been had. We will be looking for someone to blame when elections roll around, and the whole world knows not a single Republican in Congress voted for obamacare, not even RINO McCain.
      Obama and the Democrats own this debacle.

      November 11, 2013 at 9:21 pm | Reply
  11. michele

    17.5 million reasions obacare woull be a disaster if repealed. childern with preconditions

    November 1, 2013 at 12:16 am | Reply
    • Jim37015

      What did children do before Obamacare??????

      November 2, 2013 at 8:04 pm | Reply
      • joe

        They followed the Repub health care plan for poor....get what aid they could from the government, bankrupt the parents, then die.

        November 3, 2013 at 10:01 pm |
      • RA

        Without!

        November 5, 2013 at 12:03 pm |
    • pyusmc66

      Michelle,
      Go back to school.
      reasions=reasons
      Obacare=Obamacare
      woull=would
      chilren=children.

      November 2, 2013 at 9:06 pm | Reply
  12. Patrick in Wisconsin

    Very true, it'll hurt republicans a lot in the upcoming elections if Obamacare works.

    October 31, 2013 at 9:57 pm | Reply
    • Triple Lindy

      That is a mighty big if. I believe it will fail, as all socialism eventually fails. The socialists just run out of other peoples money. It may take decades, but the end is inevitable.

      November 3, 2013 at 9:49 pm | Reply
      • dave

        Newsflash, the ACA isn't even remotely socialist. The insurance providers are all private companies. How exactly do you consider the ACA socialist? Only approximately 4% of Americans are affected by the ACA. Those who will get (private insurance) coverage under the ACA, will mostly pay for it out of pocket. Those who can't afford it will get subsidies that are largely paid for by those who refuse to get it and tax on industries who have enjoyed insane profits due to loopholes in the tax code and their contracts. This isn't a government insurance program funded by taxing the populous.

        November 4, 2013 at 6:25 am |
      • RA

        Lindy here just attaches and defines any label he chooses.
        Try being social. Ever been to a social? Why do we have social studies? As part of a society how can socialism be evil?
        Go to Denmark, Norway, Sweden and see how well socialism works and stop blindly making statements not based in fact.
        But then the right lives in a fact free world.

        November 5, 2013 at 12:09 pm |
  13. Minnie Mouse

    Who really cares what it is!! If the "Affordable Care Act" doesn't work, then millions of people will be denied health care coverage once again because of pre-existing conditions. What kind of world are we living in when we can tell people that they cannot buy insurance even though we are paying customers. Oh, you can buy it and at a higher price but you will not be covered unless this law remains in place. This law allows everyone to buy insurance regardless to what your health is and your not discriminated against because of it or your sexuality and charged higher prices.. This new law is going to help millions of people with pre-existing conditions, people who couldn't afford insurance at all and has already been helping children with pre-existing conditions, prescription costs lowered for seniors ect..

    Everyone just needs learn how to be patient. This is an enormous and technical law, that is going to take time. Nothing is perfect at first. It's only going to help our country and the people in this country because it is working.

    This law is not going to physically harm anyone or financially break anyone. If you think about, everyone needs to take care of his or her own health anyhow and be responsible.

    The law is working! The only thing that is not up and working efficiently is the Healthcare.gov site and this is all going to be properly taken care of to where it's up, running smoothly, security and soon.

    October 31, 2013 at 3:30 pm | Reply
  14. Paul Reynolds

    But Republicons proved in the 2000s to LOVE BIG Government and CARE after Approving, Borrowing and Spending over $4 TRILLION to "Protect and Serve" 100% Foreigners in Iraq for over a Decade!!

    It's just AMERICANS that Republicons HATE so deeply – Just ask Rich Rmoney to explain again!

    October 31, 2013 at 2:24 pm | Reply
  15. steve hamilton

    One more time, right wing radicals make insults and offer nothing with any content. That's one more reason why less than 25% of voters now disapprove of the Tea Party and why 75% of voters want the House to revert to Democratic control.

    October 31, 2013 at 1:53 pm | Reply
  16. wendel

    Amazing how many people re unwilling to even give the act a chance. It will work or not on it's own.

    October 31, 2013 at 11:36 am | Reply
    • Greg O'Neill

      You must be on the government dole. Those of us with jobs have to actually pay for our healthcare, and shouldn't have to pay thousands on an experiment in liberal fantasy.

      October 31, 2013 at 1:40 pm | Reply
      • GCarter

        "You must be on the government dole. Those of us with jobs have to actually pay for our healthcare, and shouldn't have to pay thousands on an experiment in liberal fantasy."

        You are already paying for those uninsured through your preminums, that's number one, number two those who are getting their insurance through the ACA will be paying for their insurance with assistance through subsidies to offset the cost. Just as your employer is subsidizing your health care cost it's call employer share, if they weren't do you think you could afford the entire cost? I thought the GOP wanted competition in the market I guess they were speaking out of both sides of their mouths.

        November 1, 2013 at 1:59 pm |
      • RA

        Wrong again! Even Ted Cruze gets a $7000 per year tax break for the ins. his wife gets him. My tax dollars subsidize the guy who would crash the economy to prevent others from having any coverage at all?
        Start making sense. Your tax dollars subsidize the rich. That should really tick you off. But no, they're mostly white folks.

        November 5, 2013 at 12:14 pm |
  17. steve hamilton

    Paul: Speaking of "it be so stupid", how come you so stupid you can't compose a grammatically correct sentence? You should have learned how to do that in 4th grade. Did you have to stay back?

    October 30, 2013 at 10:54 pm | Reply
    • Amanda

      How dare you correct anyone. Its cruel and shows what kind of person you are. I don't see what you get out of making fun of others.

      November 3, 2013 at 6:22 pm | Reply
      • Triple Lindy

        Amanda, what he is doing is pointing out is the substandard education level of the poster, and someone who is uneducated is not to be taken seriously.

        November 3, 2013 at 10:01 pm |
      • RA

        Superiority the free and easy way.
        Let's all pounce on his small mindedness, for that's what motivates him.

        November 5, 2013 at 12:16 pm |
    • Amanda

      Your reply makes me so sad. What you are telling me is that only those who you deem as intelligent have a valid opinion. As an intelligent person you realize that there are many different types of intelligence. Also, some one who thinks themselves does not know everything. Are these the people who you want to pat on the head and tell them not to worry that you will tell them what is best for them? This person raised a valid point. I feel that it is up to the reader to draw their own conclusion. I see that there are still school yard bullies. You can think what you want of others,but there is no reason to be mean and hurtful.

      November 4, 2013 at 7:34 am | Reply
      • RA

        Sure there is.It bolsters their sagging self esteem to denigrate others. A form of blind, flawed self therapy.
        Only serves to demonstrate their own small mindedness and sucks them deeper into a downward spiral of self loathing.
        Pity the poor fool. (Mr.T)

        November 5, 2013 at 12:20 pm |
  18. Miles Craig

    Obamacare is not about your health....it IS about government CONTROL.......

    October 30, 2013 at 7:14 pm | Reply
    • T

      ............Don't be such as EASY TOUCH by FOX and gop types.............The requirements of healthcare insurance companies to:
      .
      ......Use at LEAST 80% of funds for healthcare rather than BONUSES to their elite.
      ......Insure your kids up to 26 years old if needed.....
      ......NO CANCELLED POLICIES for getting sick
      ......NO CANCELLATION for pre-existing conditions......
      .
      ............to name a few.........

      October 31, 2013 at 8:16 am | Reply
    • steve hamilton

      Miles: What do you mean by "government CONTROL"? What do you think about senior military commanders giving orders to subordinates, is that government control? How about the FDA protecting citizens from potentially harmful drugs or other medical devices? Everything the ACA deals with is consistent with the US Constitution, as ruled by SCOTUS. So, if it is CONTROL and you don't like it, you ought to vote with your feet and leave the country, and look for a constitution you like better.

      October 31, 2013 at 1:47 pm | Reply
    • Amelia

      I I totally agree with you, Miles!

      November 1, 2013 at 1:14 am | Reply
    • RA

      Doesn't government control the water supply? The traffic? Education? Food safety? The police, courts and prisons? Interstate commerce? Automotive pollution and safety systems? Air traffic and air craft safety? And even protect your rights?
      What were you saying, again?

      November 5, 2013 at 12:25 pm | Reply
  19. Richard

    Prohibition was once the law of the land - It was fixed also. And this also will pass!!

    October 30, 2013 at 7:02 pm | Reply
    • steve hamilton

      Richard: The ACA is going to stand or fall on its own merits or faults, and it will take at least six months of experience before we will have a decent idea which way it will go. That timeline is typical of large, complex systems. Right now, all we know is that in some states, like New York, it's working terrifically, and in other states it's not meeting expectations. Time will tell.

      October 30, 2013 at 10:37 pm | Reply
  20. Richard

    The democrats will find a way to blame someone when this crap fails and the people that actually have to pay for the obamacare finds out how much it will cost them to support the people that cant afford the care.

    Way to many horror stories already and thats just the beginning. Please dont delay it so people will see what a mess this is.

    October 30, 2013 at 5:30 pm | Reply
    • Whatever

      It's not affordable? A retired school teacher just bought a policy which came to $1.11 after tax credit. That beats what I pay per month for my company provided insurance by quite a bit.

      October 30, 2013 at 11:24 pm | Reply
      • Amanda

        This is because you will subsidize the rest of her payment through taxes.

        November 4, 2013 at 8:27 am |
    • RA

      Anyone in your family ever derive one benefit from our government? Parents on Social Security? Medicade?
      Folks like you sniveled at those programs, but they still bring stability to millions.
      United we stand. Ever hear that before?

      November 5, 2013 at 12:30 pm | Reply
  21. Maria Rivera-Carvalho

    Yes, Mr. Crystol, it will hurt. A whole lot. Because Obamacre will work and the Republiccans know it very well. That's why they are selling their souls to the devil, so to speak, to keep the truth from emerging. Waste of time. Obama will be vindicated and you are terrified. Man up and face you fears, there is no other way out.

    October 30, 2013 at 3:12 pm | Reply
  22. FidyCents

    The Democrats started this Great Society mess back in the 60's. With this new mess called Obamacare it will finally be the final straw that breaks the U.S. bank for good. You can thank the Democrats and the progressive hillbillies running the party for this.

    October 30, 2013 at 1:46 pm | Reply
    • steve hamilton

      FidyCents: So, you obviously think Medicare was a big mistake. Well Bucky, you are a member of an incredibly small minority, which is about par for you right wing radicals. Latest polls show that 75% of voters disapprove of the
      Republican Party, and only 22% approve of the Tea Party. Once the president eliminates gerrymandering, you guys will be dead men walking!!!

      October 30, 2013 at 10:43 pm | Reply
    • RA

      Ding, ding, ding!! Wrong again. FDR began this kind of decency in the '30s.
      It's the war mongering corporate greed machine that will damage America.
      Do foreigners hate us because we care for the sick and elderly? Or because we've militarized the whole planet? Which you don't seem to mind paying for. Talk about death panels. Try the Pentagon. The deadliest org on earth.

      November 5, 2013 at 12:35 pm | Reply
  23. Leftcoastrocky

    Yes, it will hurt - republicans that is - if/when Obamacare works.

    October 30, 2013 at 1:08 pm | Reply
  24. Bubba

    Obamacare working will only hurt the zealot Republicans who attacked health care for all Americans. Just like Social Security, which was championed for similarly minded Democrats, Obamacare will become a cornerstone of American Society.
    Within 15 years, Republicans will be charging that they are Universal Health Care's strongest defenders, and I will be reminding them that it is called "OBAMACARE", named a such by Republicans in respect (ha, ha, ha) to the President who made it happen.

    October 30, 2013 at 11:23 am | Reply
    • EJ

      It's rather amazing to see how Republicans attack the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) when it is based totally off of a Republican backed and passed plan. You would think they would want all the credit for someone actually using one of their ideas.

      October 30, 2013 at 1:10 pm | Reply
      • FidyCents

        More amazing that Democrats can't tell the difference between a state plan versus a Federal mandated one. You would think that they have a few smart people who can even see this. I guess not.

        October 30, 2013 at 1:50 pm |
      • steve hamilton

        EJ: You think it's amazing because you live in a rational world. The primary force driving the Tea Party and its followers is hatred of the president. A clinical psychologist friend of mine ascribes this behavior to what they call in the trade "white trash syndrome". Apparently, people with low self esteem often feel the need to look down on someone else, and if that "target" accomplishes something that threatens opinion of the low esteem person, that person often develops a hatred for the target. My sense is that is what is happening to the right wing radicals. "How dare that uppity Kenyan stand in our way"?

        October 30, 2013 at 10:51 pm |
      • geekgirl42

        Don't worry, when it does start taking off, the Republicans will want to take credit.

        October 31, 2013 at 11:56 am |
      • RA

        Not with Blacky McDark at the helm. Time and time again the repubs have rebuked their own ideas as soon as they fall from "that one"'s (John Mcain at pres. debate) lips and whimper "I'm melting"
        That's transperancy!

        November 5, 2013 at 12:40 pm |
    • Paul

      Its a shame, like the idiots that voted for him, it be so stupid.

      October 30, 2013 at 7:11 pm | Reply
      • dufffer

        You have white trash syndrome... You can't stand that anyone ,but you had a good idea especially if he is black.. By the way for all those that think we are going to pay more for our health care, remember you already are paying for all those that go to get healthcare in the hospital without insurance. Who do think pays those bills. certainly not the people without insurance.

        October 31, 2013 at 1:32 am |

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