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The Senate has reached a deal to end the shutdown and avoid default, with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid calling the agreement “historic.”
House Speaker John Boehner cleared the way for the measure to pass, saying “we fought the good fight, we just didn’t win.” Meanwhile, staunch Obamacare opponent Sen. Ted Cruz said he wouldn’t try to block the measure.
Tonight in the Crossfire, two members of the House, Reps. David Cicilline (D-RI) and Steve Scalise (R-LA) debate the details surrounding the making of the deal and a look at what lies in its future.
Reps. Cicilline and Scalise join hosts Newt Gingrich and Van Jones to make their case at 6:30pET.
We want you to weigh in. Who do you think won the shutdown fight? Reply with President Obama, Republicans, or Tea Party below, by replying to our tweet, or by commenting on our Facebook post.
How is this a historic deal?? What's so historic about a temporary movement. That's all it is and what all you could come up with because you missed all the deadlines by a month and the state of our country was fixing to be in dire jeopardy if you didn't pass something. The government is reopened, people are back to work and the bills are going to get paid. Nothing is resolved.
People don't trust America anymore and America doesn't trust our government. The only faith anyone needs to have anyhow is in God. People need to stop looking up to the government for answers and learn how to become self-reliant.
This will all be rehashed again come January and February of 2014. It's a terrible position to put people back to work and then the possibly of them being out of work again a few months down the road. Every time the government can't get its act together it's costing our country millions in dollars.
The senate will be out for way over 30 days between now and Christmas. How is anything going to be accomplished when the people are not even going to be available at work.
The government needs a drastic makeover. This is what will make our government historic.
Multi-party democracies are extremely complex, and strange coalitions are formed. These coalitions result in diffused accountability, diffused responsibility, increased finger-pointing, and strategic alliances based on political expediency. National priorities get reduced focus and as a result, the nation's potential is not fully realized.
We were doing better with a predominant two-party system. I predicted that we would rue the day the Tea Party gained a foot hold, and I continue to predict increased fragmentation in Government, with a consequent inability to truly govern. Side issues will gain importance, and main issues will continue to be swept under the rug. Petty motives will gain ground in the guise of national issues.
Mark my words.
This is one of my favorite shows
But Van Jones is way too much of a can't-we-come-together guy and always has been. Crossfire is a respectful but still a battlefield of ideas. If you can't strongly represent the left or right, why are you there? Jones let that tea party extremist Steve Scalese completely walk all over him with misrepresentation (ie lies) after misrepresentation about Obama being responsible for the shutdown, while actually wanting a default on the debt, not to mention closing the veteran's site himself, and other ridiculous charges as Jones sat there silent with a smug smile and even nodded from time to time. Stephanie Cutter who is my hero would have never, ever let such slander go by. Scalese easily dominated the session with no serious pushback. and used the show as a platform for his almost unbearable ideas if you just happen to read and think. This would be just simple buffoonery if it wasn't so serious. If an uniformed viewer saw this, they would say how reasonable this poor guy Scalese was with his tireless efforts to "reopen the government" despite being repeatedly foiled by Obama and the democrats. His phony indignation was pitch perfect. This is why you have this absurd false equivalency advanced in the media between Republicans and Democrats during this crisis or "they are all at fault" rubbish. Jones does a disservice here by not doing his job by vigorously representing the left's position even if his heart is not totally in it. By the way I am very impressed at how dignified Newt Gingrich is. He listens thoughtfully and responds.
The next time Representative Scalise , Mr. Gingrich, or anyone else try's to lay the blame for this fiasco at the feet of President Obama, I would ask that Van Jones or any other CNN commentator ask the following questions. First, have they ever heard of the Meadow letter (sent to Speaker Boehner in mid August)? Second, are they aware of the change in House rules instituted on September 30 which removes the long standing tradition that any member of the House could ask for a vote. This rule change limited this privilege to the Speaker or Representative Cantor. Finally I would ask them if they are aware that the President's job is enforcement and it is Congress's job to legislate. No matter how Mr. Gingrich and Representative Scalise would like to spin this, the Constitution is pretty clear. The debt of the United States shall not be questioned. When you look at all the back room Republican shenanigans, it is pretty clear that bringing the debt into question is exactly what the Republican's intended to happened.(Let's see...defunding Obamacare isn't working, what else can we do.) The Republicans started off by pursuing a strategy they knew would fail, and end up pursuing a strategy that is Unconstitutional. By the way, LR stands for Lifelong Republican.
If all of this is true, we are in just a big game for the government.
Got the following from a business colleague . .. Makes you think ? ? ?
Never thought about this....but of course how true !
This is all orchestrated.
Sun, 6 Oct 2013
Did anyone besides me wonder how they got all those signs printed and distributed far and wide, including to all the national parks and cemeteries overseas only eight to ten hours after the government shut down?
Take a look at this from someone who wanted to remain anonymous.
FOR WHAT IT’S WORTH, THE WRITER OF THE BELOW CERTAINLY KNOWS WHAT HE’S TALKING ABOUT !
I WAS IN PROCUREMENT FOR 30 YEARS AND WAS PURCHASING UNDER ARMED SERVICES PROCUREMENT REGULATIONS (ASPR)! BELIEVE ME IT WAS A SLOW PROCEDURE. IT ISN’T HARD TO FIGURE OUT THE PERSON WHO GAVE THE ORDERS FOR THEM ! Mac
I have worked in the government on and off for 40 years. During that time I became quite familiar with requisitions, bidding, awarding contracts etc. It is a time consuming process with bean-counters and pencil-necked bureaucrats every step of the way. The simplest request takes months not days or hours.
In less than 8 hours of the shutdown, miraculously, professionally – printed 3X4 foot signs appeared all over the Country in the tens of thousands saying-“this [park, facility, etc. with custom logos] closed due to government shutdown. There has not been a government shutdown in 17 years. These signs were designed, specifications were determined, signs were then requisitioned, bids were posted and vetted, government contracts were awarded. The materials were then ordered and the signs manufactured then distributed U.S. Mails or freight companies.
This shutdown was orchestrated and planned well in advance at least 6-8 months ago. Millions of tax dollars were appropriated and spent in this process. There is a paper trail a mile long leading directly to the White House.
The President. is doing great job and service to this country. Shouldn't the tea party be in Boston? Dumping tea in the harbor? I don't think that would go over in our state of Romney Care.
So who is going to reimburse us for the 20 Billion dollars that just got wasted..... I think it out to be extracted from congress
The American people won.
The hostage taking Tea Party LOST.
Now, maybe Republicans can take back the party.
Hillary Clinton for President.
No more male macho I gotta win crap.
Put a woman in charge.
Sick to death of these rich white men.
I'm am so disappointed in the response from our Representatives of the Republic to the peoples wishes. To let a minority of the Republic dictate public policy is a travesty.
As a two term,100% disabled two term Vietnam veteran, I am aghast. I love my
Country, I abhor my government.
May God bless us all!
It was nice to see in the end that Steve Scalise managed to answer atleast 2 questions that were asked directly to him. It seems that he and the others like him have an amazing ability to avoid simple questions by dancing in circles around them, in the end, I hope I can some day understand the logic behind shutting down the government, then again, insanity follows no logic.
We should just let Obamacare proceed. There are so many problems that the marketplace will adjust the program so it is acceptable, I believe that too few young healthy folks will sign up resulting in premiums having to increase to unacceptable levels and resulting higher than anticipated government tax subsidies will necessitate tax increases which will infuriate tax payers. I also think that folks shifted to part time employment will kill the program. I hope I'm wrong but let's see what happens.
President Obama won the shutdown battle for the American people.
The big losers are the tea-diots, and well-deserved.
Who won? The President. Period.
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