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September 27th, 2013
11:44 AM ET

Gingrich: Obama must negotiate with GOP

Newt Gingrich and Rep. Keith Ellison begin with a debate on whether the president and the GOP can negotiate together.

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  1. W.G.

    Gingrich us wrong . He´s always wrong . Who negotiates with a gun held to his head .
    Gingrich once shut down the gov. because he felt slighted on a trip on Air Force 1 .
    When he was running for president this last election he said we should colonize the moon .
    This ain´t the guy I would listen too .

    October 8, 2013 at 7:31 am | Reply
  2. bp

    How's the view from the armchair, Newt, where you can get paid to pontificate knowing you won't ever be held responsible for your asinine statements? Apologies if I have limited admiration for a confessed serial adulterer, one who had the gall to pillory Clinton for having an affair AT THE SAME TIME you were having one. You are a despicable excuse for a human being.

    October 7, 2013 at 10:16 pm | Reply
  3. Shawn Lemmond

    As an economist and former gop state legislator in North Carolina, I am mortified by the Tea Party extremists within the GOP congressional caucus. These people more resemble the Taliban than our Founding Fathers. Like jihadist, when unable to prevail through normal methods, they are willing to inflect harm on their own society if their demands are not met. Calling for “negotiations”, they insist on dominance or they will detonate an economic bomb on our nation.
    When concessions are rooted in one side’s brutal willingness to inflict collective harm on the public it is called extortion, not negotiation. Therefore there can be no “negotiation” with the Tea Party and their economic suicide vest. To do so would empower them to subjugate the nation to their agenda and functionally abdicate our democracy for Tea Party tyranny. As John F. Kennedy once said, ‘Let us never fear to negotiate, but we shall never negotiate out of fear.’
    Regardless of one’s opinion, Obamacare is the law of the land; approved by Congress and vetted by a conservative majority Supreme Court. If it is to be altered, it is up to the electorate, not a Tea Party segment of the Republican Party willing to cripple the nation rather than accept a law they do not have the votes to overturn. Such despotic behavior betrays both the ideals of our Founding Fathers and the Republican Party that once inspired me; and their ruthless disregard for the public’s welfare dispels any illusions over their fitness to govern.

    October 7, 2013 at 9:50 pm | Reply
  4. Robert Marshall

    Why do the TeaReps always says the President MUST negotiate, when what they mean is, give something up to get these freeloaders to do their job. Congress approved the debt, now they must own up to it & pay it. The President doesn't spend one penny on his own, yet he is blamed for spending that congress authorized.

    October 7, 2013 at 9:12 pm | Reply
  5. yaa

    Boehner dos not want to negotiate- He wants concessions. When asked what would Republicans offer as a "concession" he could name none. This is hostage taking pure and simple- do what we want to we blow the economy up. Unfortunately or fortunately, blowing up the economy will hurt the big business that owns the tea party.

    October 7, 2013 at 11:53 am | Reply
    • jb

      my man yaa I am 64 am not computer savvy can you post a question that is not mentioned yet about the defeceit who caused it the bushes 13 years of war over nothing how many trillion dollars it has cost there no one saying any thing about that we wouldn't have a deficite if we didn't have those wars and still there 1 said it cost 1 billion dollars a week please post this where more will see I was in viet nam and they wouldn't let us win the war there

      October 7, 2013 at 4:34 pm | Reply
  6. tygre

    The Speaker of the House is one of the key custodians of democracy. Shutting government to "leverage" is to abandon democracy in favor of extortion. Paying employees not to work to curry political favor is corrupt. Cruz and his tea bags are a disgrace to the people of the U.S.

    October 6, 2013 at 3:46 pm | Reply
  7. Thom

    Don't think so Newt......New polling shows GOP in grave danger now in losing the House in 2014 with 17 vulnerable Tea Party / Republicans losing voters.

    October 6, 2013 at 2:34 pm | Reply
  8. Patrick in Wisconsin

    Newt, America doesn't negotiate with terrorists.

    October 6, 2013 at 2:13 pm | Reply
  9. Tom1940

    Newt is probably being "too logical" in speaking of "what the President must do". Of course Newt and Clinton did negotiate and compromise back in the day. That is when we had a seasoned, tested, articulate, hands-on President that knew the limits of his power (and that of the Congress as well), and had a handle on it. Today, according to Ed. Klein's book "The Amateur", this President really doesn't know or understand the limits of power of his office, having been given "unlimited" power in the first two years of his Presidency. Admittedly "lazy", (by his own admission), and "rather be golfing" by his actions. Not really wanting to "do" the job, but "only run for and receive adulation" while running "for" the job. (Big difference). Now, here we are, not as Newt suggests at an impasse between rational evenly match individuals from the Administrative Head of Government and the Legislative Arm of the same, but two individuals who are mismatched in every way possible, who are very unlikely to find common ground. The outcome is unknown. I hope Newt is right and common sense prevails. I do not have much hope, but some.

    October 6, 2013 at 11:20 am | Reply
    • Jeff E.

      Your commentary is so lopsided and full hyperbole and falsehoods, it is hardly worth responding to. But if you want to talk about kings of vacation days, let's go back to W, and even the Gipper. Your characterization of Obama is beyond the pale of anything resembling reality. I don't recall Obama ever saying he was lazy or in it for the adulation. But, like most right wingers, I suppose you enjoy listening to tea baggers' propaganda and spreading it, too. Do yourself a favor – grow up and get an education.

      October 8, 2013 at 1:10 am | Reply
  10. USAPeasant

    I am totally against Newt running for any government office, but I do have to remark that I enjoy his show. He seems very at home in the media, and in fact useful. The set up of the show is pretty good and in terms of punditry it has pretty good variety. We'll see how he fares in the election season though, but still pretty good stuff so far.

    As for the shutdown fiasco, Newt is actually right, Obama must negotiate. However, slick Newt is trying to remove some of the burden from the GOP whom is equally at fault. (Don't get me wrong, now that Newt is just a show host, his character is actually an asset for hardball political punditry.) The top reason that Obama and the GOP need to negotiate is for both their own political futures. The longer this lasts the worse things will start to become especially with the Debt Ceiling looming on the 17th. If the Congress fails to negotiate on that day things are going to look grim for both Parties and the Nation as a whole.

    Even though I personally would fault Reid and Boehner more than I would Obama, Obama still should be using the bully pulpit to negotiate instead of shun negotiation. Obamacare is going to be a part of his legacy, and unless he fixes what is all ready glaringly wrong with it then it is going to be a bad mark on his legacy. This is getting ridiculous, not even negotiating on a medical device tax that would ultimately make healthcare more affordable is crazy. That was a huge mistake by the GOP that Obama could have capitalized on to avoid the shutdown all together and improve Obamacare. Either way that moment passed now. Obama has to stop signalling an unwillingness to negotiate and needs to lead a willingness to negotiate, but like his followers rightly want, not under threat to the whole system. GOP also has to realize they have to raise the debt ceiling at least long enough for the economically important holiday season. They can't be expecting a whole big set of reforms to roll out in days.

    October 6, 2013 at 6:52 am | Reply
    • msosborn

      Actually, Newt is not right. The debt ceiling is about paying bills already acquired. It has nothing to do with ObamaCare.. The need to negotiate is necessary only for the Republican s to save some face. Saving face is also not part of the budget. So, Newt is wrong again and would do the country a favor by just going away.

      October 7, 2013 at 12:39 pm | Reply
  11. Ron

    Keith Ellison is a joke, he's just one more in a long line of bizarre Minnesota politicians. It was obvious everybody there thought he was pretty funny. Cory, you need as new hairdo. That ones a little odd.

    October 5, 2013 at 12:46 am | Reply
  12. Bubba

    Obama needs to negotiate with the GOP using the same tactics they use on him. First, he should begin by name calling, then he should threaten impeachment, then he should make a written promise to NOT ever give in, then he should tell the American voter that the GOP is the problem.

    October 4, 2013 at 4:31 pm | Reply
    • 1Joyce

      I haven't heard the word impeachment from Obama's mouth, but he is already using all of the other tactics. Don't think he has a "written" promise not to ever give in, but he spouts it verbally often.

      October 6, 2013 at 8:00 am | Reply
    • Santa Claus

      Using the people rights as hostage to repeal their health care laws is treasonous.

      October 6, 2013 at 12:19 pm | Reply
    • bubba

      bubba your exactally right the republicans said they were going to help Obama but since he got in office they have done nothing as usual there only for the rich they all need to cut off paying these high hospital bills and insurance costs where I live it costs six thousand dollars just to lay in a bed there if even nothing is bad wrong with you I stayed 11 days cost over one hundred thousand dollars that is redicilous but big companys own both sides should be no donations from any one the top runner should get a free plain a free air time on tv that away they don't owe favors to any one

      October 7, 2013 at 4:43 pm | Reply
  13. JohnInTucson

    I watched and experienced Newt's shutdown of the gov't in the 90's and I've looked at the way he's led his life personally. All you have to do is look at his personal decisions to realize if Newt says "do this," you should do the right thing, which is the OPPOSITE of what Newt Gingrich advises. He's such a loser.

    October 4, 2013 at 3:04 pm | Reply
  14. Jack

    Mr. Gingrich, No, he shouldn't! The House and Senate should be negotiating!

    October 4, 2013 at 5:53 am | Reply
    • NYNJCT

      Who has wasted tax payer's money ? it's OBAMA'S ADMINISTRATIONS so he should negotiate with both, The House and
      Senate.

      October 4, 2013 at 10:54 am | Reply
      • Sam A.

        Seriously? The President of the United States should not stoop low to House Republicans level of stupidity. They created the mess out of hatred for the President and now you suggest he should negotiate with them, again, are you serious? Please keep it in mind that during All Republican Presidents since the 80's, Democrats has never once use shutting down the government as a negotiating tool to get their ways and how dare the Republicans to do just that for Democrat Presidents. This just show who cares more for the people. God bless.

        October 4, 2013 at 6:21 pm |
  15. Michael

    There is no longer a need for negotiation there Newt. Obama was elected in 2008, in part, due to his promise of healthcare reform.The negotiation was done for months afterward to write the bill, which the republicans shouldn't of had any to revise since the ACA was essentially written by the Heritage Foundation back in 1988 and proposed in part by Bob Dole a few years later in congress. The existence of the ACA IS the compromise a 'liberal' policy would have been Universal Healthcare, controlled by the government. Also Newt, please hush, since you created the last government shutdown, the last person on the planet anyone should listen to is you.

    October 3, 2013 at 11:11 pm | Reply
  16. McShannon

    Newt I used to like you before you became blind. There are other places to cut the budget. John Boehner’s favorite lobbyist Lockheed Martin receives billions of American tax dollars every year through foreign aid packages that mandate purchase of arms from USA manufacturers. The world really doesn’t need more weapons in the hands of Mid-East countries. Lockheed could as well use the subsidy to develop space travel technology. Mixed up priorities because lobbyists run the show.

    October 3, 2013 at 1:30 pm | Reply
    • McShannon

      $38.6 billion to Lockheed Martin in 2011 is most recent figures I could find. I'm not sure that this included contracts from aid packages. The shame is the power of Lockheed Lobby. Boehner's family bar business is supported mainly by Lockheed workers.

      October 3, 2013 at 4:41 pm | Reply
      • Michael

        That's true of virtually every organization in existence. Instead of providing a service and earning a profit as a byproduct of that service, everyone wants guaranteed profit to ensure their own existence in perpetuity. Why try a venture that could advance humanity when there's easy money to be made by putting weapons in the hands of unstable people?

        October 3, 2013 at 11:15 pm |
    • NYNJCT

      The Lobby and $38 Billions have been processing under OBAMA Admin. from 2010.

      October 4, 2013 at 10:47 am | Reply
  17. Carol Cowan

    Who in this debate is doing the best politicing? We are all tired of the fearmongering because after the shutdown, everyone will get paid retroactively. President Obama spends more of our money to surround himself with his usual staffer cheerleaders to clap at all his lies. I say he wins the fearmongering prize hands down, no contest. When you can't govern, you can always just campaign. Doesn't he know he is term limited? LOL

    October 3, 2013 at 11:32 am | Reply
    • msosborn

      Seriously. Think about it. Obama is doing exactly what every President before him has done. It is a campaign whetherDemocrat. Or Republican. In the past 5 tears. The GOP has been run by the Tea Party and the UNELECTED Koch brothers. Only 28 bills have pasted both Houses. The House has voted 42 times against the ACA. @ $1.7 million each time knowing that bill would go nowhere. Look again and think about who is wasting money and why. And the claim that the ACA has cost million of jobs is nothing but hyperbol. The ACA, a Republican idea, doesn't merit this type of dysfunction.

      October 7, 2013 at 7:38 am | Reply
  18. Carol Cowan

    How many tax payer dollars were spent to provide security for President Obama's foto op at the construction company?
    Couldn't he just grab his bully pulpit mike from the oval office? He is simply trying to rev the Dem base.

    October 3, 2013 at 11:02 am | Reply
  19. Carol Cowan

    Why is it OK for President Obama and Sebelius to 'defund' Obamacare by picking and choosing who will be waivered (and rewriting the law unconstitutionally after it was passed)
    and yet the House, whose job it is to appropriate funds is demonized for actually doing their job by listening to the majority of the American people?

    October 3, 2013 at 10:42 am | Reply
    • 5050/Sean

      carol – the MAJORITY of Americans WANT the ACA, the don't want it defunded and they don't want it dismantled. How many times, how many poles and how many articles does it take from dozens of different sources for you to understand that people want the ACA??

      October 3, 2013 at 11:31 am | Reply
      • ezduzit757

        The funny thing is, so many who don't want Obamacare DO want the ACA. They hear Obama's name and are brainwashed to immediately hate it, without bothering to learn the real facts about and and how much it will benefit them.

        October 3, 2013 at 12:51 pm |
    • CHUCK HUNTER

      To Carol Cowan,
      You need to get the facts. The house is not blameless in this situation. Why is it always President Obama that is doing wrong? What about Congress? Does any of this stick to the lawmakers?

      October 4, 2013 at 9:43 am | Reply
    • noneyobeeswax

      1) For starters that your "majority of Americans" includes about 17-20% of Americans who do not think the ACA went far ENOUGH (read the polls and learn to think before you speak). In other words people who wish Obamacare expanded even. This puts your "majority" at about 34%, 40% tops. NOTE: Fox news polls were the one poll report I read that pointedly did NOT ask the question of why someone disliked current and soon to be enforced healthcare laws.

      2) The GOP does not have the votes to repeal Obamacare. It passed with the House, 60 Senators and the President's signature. It passed muster with the Supreme Court and withstood no fewer than 2 Congressional elections and a Presidential election. Common sense would that it is not the House's place to extort what they cannot do legitimately by choosing which laws will be enforced. The budget is NOT about law, it is about enforcing law and I would like to see Republican reaction if Democrats ending all funding for prosecuting late-term abortions... effectively destroying a law they don't like. It is cynical, hypocritical and above all unbecoming any legislative body.

      3) Any argument that the House somehow represents "the will of the people" better than any other elected body hits a brick wall when you tally up the 58 million GOP votes to 60 million Democratic votes in the 2012 election that somehow ended up with ~230 GOP to ~200 Democrats (gerrymandering, plain and simple).

      October 5, 2013 at 9:04 pm | Reply
  20. ezduzit757

    It is US policy to not negotiate with hostage takers.

    October 3, 2013 at 9:58 am | Reply
  21. ProtectAmericanJobs

    Americans need Patriotic American Leaders – NOT Party-Line-Politicians!

    Our economic problems didn't happen overnight. It's been happening over the past 15-20 years, but the economy was kept going by middle class Americans tapping into the equity on their homes until they were completely tapped out.

    Both parties have sold out the bulk of the American citizens, who they're supposed to represent, by allowing the incursion of illegal aliens and the "out-sourcing" floodgates to open wider and wider without taking any sensible measures to stem the tide.

    If both parties don't start working together and actually start doing something to fix the real problems in our country like "out-sourcing", illegal immigration, the out of control costs of health care insurance and our reliance on foreign fuel by the next election, then American citizens should run a nation-wide campaign to vote out all incumbents regardless of party just to start sending them the message.

    Martin Luther King, Jr. was a great American and his march accomplished great things, but now it may be time for a new more all-inclusive march on Washington.

    But what we really need is for a group of Powerful Patriotic American businessmen (Like Perot was), money men and politicians to step up as Americans to take on the WTO and start turning things around for the good of Our Country and American Citizens. Americans need some of the Americans who are really pulling the strings in this country to start helping their own country and their fellow countrymen, but that'll mean having enough patriotism and guts to start taking on the WTO.

    On the US Department of Commerce's US Census Bureau website there's a graphic showing how our trade imbalance has gotten progressively worse over the entire period from 1989 to the present and how it's really accelerated at an increasely greater rate each year since 1999. We can thank our leaders and the WTO for that.

    See for yourself: www(dot)census(dot)gov(slash)foreign-trade(slash)balance(slash)c0004(dot)html

    And yes – I'm Angry with both parties – As are most American Citizens right now!

    The ONLY REAL FIX for the greatest country on earth is to Raise Revenue by Bringing Back Jobs to US Citizens who Pay Income Tax.

    Returning private sector jobs to American Citizens will provide income tax revenue to OUR Government versus our government having to pay unemployment benefits to those who would be jobless instead. We need our elected officials to Start Protecting American Jobs and do whatever it takes to bring back the jobs they let go. We need leaders who will actually stand up for the American people.

    The bottom line is that "Our Government" has to protect domestic industry and the jobs that those industries provide. If they do that, the rest will take care of itself.

    We may have to pay a bit more for products made here in the USA by US citizens, but at least we'll still have jobs and a future for our children.

    October 2, 2013 at 11:31 pm | Reply
    • msosborn

      Then repeal the free trade treaties? Long over due.

      October 7, 2013 at 8:28 am | Reply
      • protectusjobs

        I agree 100%

        The American People need leaders who will stop selling us out to countries like Communist China, India and Mexico.

        Just recently, while looking at a photo of Mount Rushmore – I couldn't help thinking how these great presidents would be angered, disgusted and outraged at what our current and recent crop of so-called "leaders"(Free-Traitors) have allowed and enabled to happen to the American People, the Real American Economy and Our Country.
        Let's face it both parties are just doing the bidding of their masters, while lamely trying to look like they're trying to represent us. Wouldn't it be nice, if some of these masters were conscientious loyal Americans who loved their country and cared about their fellow Americans enough that they would finally start pointing their lap-dog-politicians in the direction of doing right by the American People? Maybe that's delusional on my part – But if this doesn't start happening soon, the American people and the future of the country that we love is doomed.

        Unfortunately almost all of our politicians are a joke – Only it's not so funny, because over the past several decades, all they've been doing is screwing the American people, by stalling, spending, removing protections and allowing illegal aliens to continue to pour in and American jobs and industry to pour out, and all while collecting their American tax-payer funded pay checks, benefits and whatever else they get on the side from their various lobbyist friends.

        April 11, 2014 at 4:48 pm |
      • protectusjobs

        I agree 100%

        The American People need leaders who will stop selling us out to countries like Communist China, India and Mexico.

        Just recently, while looking at a photo of Mount Rushmore – I couldn't help thinking how these great presidents would be angered, disgusted and outraged at what our current and recent crop of so-called "leaders"(Free-Traitors) have allowed and enabled to happen to the American People, the Real American Economy and Our Country.

        Let's face it both parties are just doing the bidding of their masters, while lamely trying to look like they're trying to represent us. Wouldn't it be nice, if some of these masters were conscientious loyal Americans who loved their country and cared about their fellow Americans enough that they would finally start pointing their lap-dog-politicians in the direction of doing right by the American People? Maybe that's delusional on my part – But if this doesn't start happening soon, the American people and the future of the country that we love is doomed.

        Unfortunately almost all of our politicians are a joke – Only it's not so funny, because over the past several decades, all they've been doing is screwing the American people, by stalling, spending, removing protections and allowing illegal aliens to continue to pour in and American jobs and industry to pour out, and all while collecting their American tax-payer funded pay checks, benefits and whatever else they get on the side from their various lobbyist friends.

        April 11, 2014 at 4:48 pm |
      • protectusjobs

        Oops – Sorry for the double post

        April 11, 2014 at 4:50 pm |
  22. ProtectAmericanJobs

    Wouldn't it be More Productive if Our Elected Leaders Started Working Together as AMERICANS for AMERICANS and AMERICA, instead of just bickering, stalling and posturing for the next election as democrats and republicans! The American People have had it with this unproductive BS! The way that both parties having been operating for years just stinks! Neither party has really been looking out for the best interests of the US Citizens who elect them and who they're supposed to represent.

    It shouldn't be all about Democrats or Republicans! It should be about Americans, especially our elected officials, doing the right thing for our country and its citizens. All the single-minded, left versus right, ideological one dimensional bull has got to go!

    The Citizens of the United States of America need our elected leaders from both parties to start working together to actually start trying to fix the real problems in our country like "out-sourcing", illegal immigration, the out of control costs of health care insurance and our reliance on foreign fuel. Fix them together as Americans! – Because united we'll stand, but divided we'll fall.

    October 2, 2013 at 11:28 pm | Reply
  23. Tony

    Get spending under control!

    October 2, 2013 at 6:51 pm | Reply
    • P Allen

      We have a regular legialative process. And the President, has in the past shown more than a willingness to negotiate on just about everything as part of that process. He is simply saying that he will ot negotiate on something that is non-negotiable, the debt is NOT negotiable, this is a debt that both sides have incurred It has to be paid on time, period. Once these people do that and get back to legialting, and actually doing their jobs and passing a budget, showing a willingness to compromise which the Republicans haven't. Then all issues are on the table. The debt ceiling is something that has to happen, and shouldn't be tied to anything else. PERIOD.

      October 3, 2013 at 3:43 am | Reply
      • R Hoke

        Your right the debt should be paid, but whats the point of borrowing more to pay a debt? That is all raising the debt limit is, taking out a loan to pay another loan. If your going to pay off a debt you have to cut some fat from the budget. I'm not saying it "HAS" to come from the ACA but it does have to come from somewhere. Personally both sides are wrong and to busy bickering and passing blame, that being said there's no such thing as a "clean" bill. Somebodies pet projects are going to have to take a cut to make the budget work without raising the debt ceiling and without touching ACA. Personally I'd start with congressional paychecks, they're obviously not earning their $174,000 salary.

        October 3, 2013 at 2:41 pm |
    • msosborn

      Great idea. But don't hold the nation hostage. Repeal some of the nonsense laws like giving $30 Billion annually to the petroleum companies, or $7 Billion to tobacco farmers, or $9 Billion to Egypt, or $5 Billion to Pakistan, etc., etc. Holding the country at bay about a bill that hasn't really taken effect, the was of your design, is nonsense. There are more issues then just ACA.

      October 7, 2013 at 8:23 am | Reply
  24. Tony

    Republicans hold the line! No more blank checks! This country needs to get spending under control.

    October 2, 2013 at 6:49 pm | Reply
    • msosborn

      Then negotiate the debt down, not a bill that is paid for.

      October 7, 2013 at 8:12 am | Reply
  25. Willie Gaters

    The Real Republican Party, please take back your political party. This isn't your Ronald Reagan or Richard Nixon Republican Party. This Republic Party (Tea Party) are willing to shutdown the government over a healthcare law. Wow! Let me educate The Republic Party (Tea Party); You can tweak or edit Obamacare throughout the years or months but I understand it's personal. It's all about your upcoming elections. Your trying to show your supporters that your fighting for their interest but not for the betterment, of the country! I got it.

    October 1, 2013 at 3:54 pm | Reply
  26. Paula

    There is nothing to negotiate. Republicans need to stop whining and move on!! Put your big boy's pants and do your work!!

    September 30, 2013 at 2:04 pm | Reply
  27. Sasha

    Obama is. Unfortunately, its hostage negotiations.

    September 30, 2013 at 1:59 pm | Reply
  28. Timmy Suckle

    I kissed my way up to VP at a health insurance company. Now I take over $600,000 of your health care dollars for NO VALUE ADDED to your health care. And that’s just me. Now think about how many other VPs, Directors, Managers, etc. are at my company alone. Now multiply that by thousands of others at hundreds of other health insurance companies. From 10 to 25% of your health care dollars go towards administration that adds NO VALUE to your health care. But my company’s PAC dollars will continue to fool you little people into thinking that a single payer system will be bad. Little people like you are so easy to fool. Little people also don’t realize that a single payer system is the ONLY system that would allow little people (as an entire country) to negotiate better health care prices. Little people don’t realize that the Medical Cartels already know that. And that is the reason why the Medical Cartels spend so much PAC money from the hospitals and doctors lobbying against a single payer system. Some little people say that a single payer system would cost you little people more. But if that were true, then wouldn’t the hospitals and doctors WANT that extra money? Yes they would. So why do the Medical Cartels lobby against a single payer system? It’s because the Medical Cartels know it would allow little people to negotiate better health care prices. And that’s what the Medical Cartels are afraid of. Period.
    But us big wigs at insurance companies, hospitals, and pharmacy companies don’t ever need to worry about health care no matter what it costs. We get our health care paid for one way or another by you little people. And we get the little people that work at our companies to contribute to our PACs. And us big wigs say it’s to protect the little peoples’ jobs. But in reality it would be in the little peoples’ best interest to NOT contribute to the PAC. Again, little people are so easily fooled. I won’t ever have to worry about losing my job with so many little people being brain washed by the Medical Cartels’ PAC money. Not only that, the Medical Cartels’ PAC money is used to elect so many republicans that will never allow a single payer system. Republicans have always fought against any meaningful health care reform. But that’s what our Medical Cartels’ PACs pay them for. Politicians can be bought so easily.
    Pretty soon the only people that will be able to afford health care is us big wigs. And that’s the way it should be. We don’t want you little people using up the resources when we need them. And once again, I thank you little people for capping my SS tax at the $113,700 level. Now I only pay 1.2% SS tax and you little people pay 6.2%. Also, thank you for extending my tax breaks. I’m using the extra money on my vacation houses.

    September 30, 2013 at 1:33 pm | Reply
    • Mary Jo

      I love your comments about "the little people" & I'm one of them but I know that I am one. I don't understand why the poor don't all get it that the Republicans are not on their side. Luckily I & my husband worked & saved all our work lives & live comfortably but I still want more for those less fortunate. The tea party has to go home!

      October 2, 2013 at 8:53 pm | Reply
    • Carol Cowan

      Hey Little Tommy Suckle, if this were all true you would have posted your real name now wouldn't you? I've worked for several insurance companies. Why don't you drop your home and care insurance LittleTommy Suckle?

      October 3, 2013 at 10:50 am | Reply
    • Reynaldo

      LOL Timmy please. Be honest here. You are a VP and I live in the Playboy mansion. Go back to your insurance company's cleaning service department and push your broom past your real VPs office....if you even have a job.

      October 4, 2013 at 9:55 am | Reply
      • SusanBanthony80

        LOL funny. I know a few VPs...none of which have the free time to post onto blogs. He's probably VP of the local car wash.

        October 4, 2013 at 10:01 am |
  29. Vence

    The Tealiban Party strikes again. Time to counter attack these terrorists. Let's kick this menace in 2014 once and for all.

    September 30, 2013 at 1:26 pm | Reply
  30. Joyce Streible

    If we let them kill this law then what law will they want to kil next.

    September 30, 2013 at 11:00 am | Reply
  31. aston

    blame two classes of people for this debacle.
    1.The permissive parent:
    For not telling little Jonny or Fionna, that selfishness is a vice, not a virtue.
    2.The recalcitrant voter:
    In allowing the dinosaurs in the Republican Party to regenerate the species.
    Their refusal to see reason and recognise the changed environment, deserve to be
    repudiated at the ballot box

    September 29, 2013 at 12:25 pm | Reply
    • James

      I agree.

      I think it is more pervasive than that and it would be negligent to blame parents and obstinate voters exclusively.

      One thing we learned very well in WWII is the value of propaganda. Eisenhower saw this and warned us of what he described as a "military industrial complex." Well. They won. They are in charge now. They have the tools - their machine is in place to persuade people in the guise of "news and debate".

      When people work collectively to do things that are good for the vast majority of Americans but bad for Madison's "oppulent few" it presents a threat and those tools are used.

      The people debating this issue know the fallicies of their own arguments, yet they mischaracterize, misquote and often tell outright lies to advance a perception that they likewise know simply isn't true.

      There are many people watching this attempt to stop 30 to 50 million people from having healthcare. Thousands of lives truly depend on the outcome. It would be honorable to drop the propaganda and stick to the purest truth if it is to be debated at all - after the law has already been negotiated and passed. America, and those people deserve that, at least.

      Today all Americans have a right to healthcare. ACA/Obamacare is the mechanism to implement the full expression of that right. If ACA/Obamacare is taken away, it is tantamount to mass murder. If it is delayed a year, it is mass murder.

      September 29, 2013 at 9:37 pm | Reply
  32. PismoJohn

    They have not worked much together in the past , so do we really think anything will be different this time? Do not think so . So around and around we go .

    September 27, 2013 at 7:12 pm | Reply

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